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[2603:6011:2807:283d:cf7d:f827:f5d3:4568]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d6sm10180968iom.21.2021.06.01.18.09.02 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Jun 2021 18:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: suggestion to change default org-latex-pdf-process to latexmk To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <87wnrdqf6i.fsf@gmail.com> From: Scott Randby Message-ID: <95208e5c-3a5d-b5fc-0dad-26648ad8815c@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 21:09:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87wnrdqf6i.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29; envelope-from=srandby@gmail.com; helo=mail-io1-xd29.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.613, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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This means > it will require users to install an additional package not previously > required. It is also a perl script, so will need perl installed - not > sure what sort of overhead this might represent for Windows and Mac > users? Does latexmk work on all the platforms Emacs+org is supported on? > > It isn't hard for users who want to use latexmk to set the value and as > it will break the installation for many existing users, I think we need > to be careful about changing this default. For many users who don't use > bibtex, this change could mean they have to install additional > software with little other observable benefit or change the default back > to what it is. > > If we do make this change, it will be necessary to update any docs to > add details about the additional dependncy and how to resolve it (for > all supported platforms). > > As a constant user of Org's LaTeX export capability, this change would break my ability to export to PDF, and it would be difficult for me to fix. I don't support this change. Scott Randby