From: Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com>
To: Lawrence Mitchell <wence@gmx.li>
Cc: nicholas.dokos@hp.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:42:20 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8930.1300898540@alphaville.dokosmarshall.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Lawrence Mitchell <wence@gmx.li> of "Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:25:49 -0000." <m3vcz9248i.fsf@e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk>
Lawrence Mitchell <wence@gmx.li> wrote:
> > patches makes the behavior of different exporters potentially
> > inconsistent with each other.
>
> You can drop the potentially here!
>
Well, some people might not use the feature...
> > IMO, it would be better to accumulate the patches and once all of the
> > exporters (or perhaps a critical mass: ascii, odt, docbook are the ones
> > I would like to see get patches, but opinions will vary) have patches,
> > then apply the whole thing in one commit (together with a documentation
> > patch). In the meantime, if anybody needs one of them (hi, Suvayu :-)),
> > they could carry it in their local branch.
>
> > Of course, there is no perfect consistency in any case between the exporters,
> > but I think at least making the effort to keep them consistent is better
> > than letting them diverge and possibly never converge again.
>
> I would agree whole-heartedly with these thoughts. I hadn't
> necessarily expected my patches to go in straight away, but
> offered them for perusal. However, this requirement may make it
> difficult to get new changes into the export system. For
> example, I'm uninterested in export to backends other than latex
> and html, so I'm only likely to implement a change for those
> targets. If no-one else is sufficiently interested in the change
> to pick up the ball for other backends, it may never get in.
> This is possibly a good thing (divergence of export functionality
> and all), but may slow the acceptance of new (useful?) features.
>
Yes, the equivalent of a DoS attack on org's progress: nobody wants
that. One thing that might work for things like this is a git feature
branch that contains the patches for the feature. That would allow
people to pull from it and try it out. Once the feature is "complete" in
some sense, the branch could be merged to the release branch. I'm not
sure how much more work that would be for Bastien, but it seems to be a
fairly widespread workflow in git circles (see e.g.
http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
for a pretty nice description.)
> For example, I don't know if the docbook backend explicitly
> writes section numbers in, or if the sectioning is left to the
> stylesheet. If the latter, can I mark sections as ones that
> should be numbered and ones that shouldn't?
>
I don't know either - but I'll take a look at ascii and docbook at some
point (although I hope somebody will beat me to it :-) ) And I'm sure
Jambunathan will take care of the odt exporter.
>
> On a somewhat tangential note, while grovelling around in the
> latex and html backends, it seems to me that the export backends
> in general could do with some loving. It seems authors of the
> backends are unclear when to use option variables, when to get
> the data from the buffer-local options plist and so. This data
> is therefore treated inconsistently across backends, sometimes
> (plist-get opt-plist :option) is used, sometimes the default
> variable org-export-with-option is, sometimes neither are
> consulted.
+10 on that.
> I'm not sufficiently excited by the grunt work to do
> anything about it, but maybe I should!
>
You would have the undying gratitude of all of us. Isn't that
motivation enough? :-)
Thanks,
Nick
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-23 16:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-22 12:10 unnumbered subsections in latex export Suvayu Ali
2011-03-22 12:20 ` Sébastien Vauban
2011-03-22 12:31 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-03-22 12:56 ` Sébastien Vauban
2011-03-22 14:26 ` [PATCH] Allow mixed export of numbered and unnumbered sections in LaTeX Lawrence Mitchell
2011-03-22 22:52 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-03-23 14:04 ` [Accepted] " Bastien Guerry
2011-03-23 14:17 ` [PATCH] " Bastien
2011-03-22 14:35 ` Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export Nick Dokos
2011-03-22 23:08 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-03-22 23:21 ` Nick Dokos
2011-03-23 9:38 ` [PATCH] Allow mixed export of numbered and unnumbered sections in HTML Lawrence Mitchell
2011-03-23 14:05 ` [Accepted] " Bastien Guerry
2011-03-23 14:57 ` Nick Dokos
2011-03-23 15:50 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-03-23 14:18 ` Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export Bastien
2011-03-23 15:02 ` Nick Dokos
2011-03-23 16:25 ` Lawrence Mitchell
2011-03-23 16:42 ` Nick Dokos [this message]
2011-03-23 18:17 ` Jambunathan K
2011-03-23 19:00 ` Nick Dokos
2011-03-23 19:18 ` Jambunathan K
2011-03-23 16:29 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-03-23 17:42 ` Jambunathan K
2011-03-24 7:59 ` Bastien
2011-03-24 18:27 ` Achim Gratz
2011-03-24 19:25 ` Nick Dokos
2011-03-25 1:06 ` Suvayu Ali
2011-04-04 14:39 ` Sébastien Vauban
2011-04-04 17:04 ` Nick Dokos
2011-04-04 20:32 ` Aankhen
2011-04-05 10:16 ` Sébastien Vauban
2011-04-05 19:07 ` Aankhen
2011-04-05 19:27 ` Eric S Fraga
2011-04-05 21:25 ` New features for the exporters? Sébastien Vauban
2011-04-05 21:45 ` Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export Aankhen
2011-04-06 18:49 ` Matt Lundin
2011-04-06 20:19 ` Sébastien Vauban
2011-03-27 11:16 ` Jambunathan K
2011-03-27 11:40 ` Bastien
2011-03-31 21:58 ` Nicolas
2011-04-01 4:34 ` Jambunathan K
2011-04-01 4:41 ` Jambunathan K
2011-04-01 6:29 ` Nick Dokos
2011-04-01 15:41 ` Eric S Fraga
2011-04-04 14:00 ` Matt Lundin
2011-04-04 14:12 ` Jambunathan K
2011-04-04 16:36 ` Matt Lundin
2011-04-04 17:09 ` Nick Dokos
2011-04-01 7:39 ` Jambunathan K
2011-04-01 18:25 ` Achim Gratz
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