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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.net header.s=badeba3b8450 header.b=W3k2t54W; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.29 X-TUID: 2Tvnhc9HsDdW Hello, John Kitchin writes: > yes it is interactive use I am most interested in. I am exploring this a= s a > potential option for students to use in a class. well, I don't do this for Emacs specifically, but for the compilers, tools, etc. I need in operating system and systems programming courses. A surprisingly huge number of students struggle with installing the needed tools on their systems and it is always very time consuming for us to try fix their problems (different OS, different compilers, etc. ppp.). Since about a year I hand out pre-configured VM images that can be imported into Virtualbox, VMWare, etc. That way we only need to support the installation of a single product (we encourage the students to use Virtualbox). That works out quite good. Typical problems are: student can't figure out that their disk is full, virtualisation extension of the hardware is disabled in firmware, student uses hardware with not enough RAM or disk capacity. Very rarely the students own hardware that don't allow to enable the virtualisation extension, I had that once or twice. And there are always a few students who seem to have strange random problems and when we ask for details the students don't show up again. Regards hmw