From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id kGNdNtGP11/lXAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:16:17 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id cE4tMtGP11+MGQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:16:17 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 141C39401BF for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59966 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqWF-0004ug-Ij for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:16:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqQ2-000792-Sn for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:09:50 -0500 Received: from mail-eopbgr150108.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([40.107.15.108]:5703 helo=EUR01-DB5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1koqQ0-0003gf-1i for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:09:50 -0500 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=OLi38zLNS+hqbtPXfOjQ9nOffRLCoPmoBnYB7oppCFJyUGpmE+ryvVJ+kR4Z8Lhz7FrURqLQw2OtOMVzAR2ZfiQ8dcQP2lpa780vdZxXejkNj4Bsp4LpM+xDOUf4u5IJd9G8FqpY9vkJdzGbwf7iiFcdBHHQRwyQc7kqXGEy53Zmzpsh7WpmQuO5rPmxDM/4cTxTabh0Qk3b2ti7FoV5NboLCR+hgh3YSS1CVzWXFnL+FqPvLVodf5e/qXz22HR1XGhMM1jZcmy1/AHgiAUk+tRJ98MWwi4JmaZ39kylT+eWRIOMTrK/Dwe2CYPmeHgrL5M6ArTef3cdhA6TupxdBA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=CORrW5MdSKc8FyiMTv2BVa3zfiHrxsSR/DO21PDRYOk=; b=SPNDodwZUdWEmK7q0C6SIKlBV5mRQMZ5egfJgDmIDYF8iIIJQ8z06SvUDNW5KvuXFukdIFhUiG6OFyaLb5zc+SV7e6BTjjYM/HMxVHPjiQQrjt4ZV2I8tcZI+4j1NNsBjCPQM3G9pmPu14+0wea8SLb2zCZGxxxQwWI4WePNy6JcAZSr6Pn+au/tVaqy2SWtrAjoH8SSypiT3hPClePw+KZcUQrdIbcsedZ57OkK55gywJieTcKy952mJzMaFea/pR2+yBFV/+1cmmaUVZYlxvwcPUNgToHDAeo9vwasaBbP5M0l7s+wBMtIxLMCLKnS9axlWcwYUOsS4Ok5KCgMDg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ucl.ac.uk; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=ucl.ac.uk; dkim=pass header.d=ucl.ac.uk; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ucl.ac.uk; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=CORrW5MdSKc8FyiMTv2BVa3zfiHrxsSR/DO21PDRYOk=; b=D0BGQLd76abDo+lUjIWVeIJxJLnXqz21hAbDDTVGaeL3XDrcp0vesoO9r6bu8vBt2rZuqoEqh0/xLcySQEL5pbAeCAOz7csL6E2fPa9Ve3Cd+TSE+ar1JsryVNFL5aIBETdQfaiHsDVNWuxWwJXKv9Av2yoY6kM8ULXJjMPAhB8= Received: from VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10a6:803:10::26) by VI1PR01MB4989.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10a6:803:8e::20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3632.23; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:09:43 +0000 Received: from VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com ([fe80::d084:c8c3:14df:8d97]) by VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com ([fe80::d084:c8c3:14df:8d97%6]) with mapi id 15.20.3654.024; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:09:43 +0000 From: Eric S Fraga To: TEC Subject: Re: TEC: update the new website ML page? Organization: On the Interweb somewhere References: <20201116104521.GP29052@maokai> <87im94ga0a.fsf@gnu.org> <878sa0pemm.fsf@gmail.com> X-Url: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucecesf/ Mail-Followup-To: TEC , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:09:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <878sa0pemm.fsf@gmail.com> (TEC's message of "Mon, 14 Dec 2020 23:37:09 +0800") Message-ID: <87zh2gqshn.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-IP: [95.151.108.43] X-ClientProxiedBy: LO4P123CA0423.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:600:18b::14) To VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com (2603:10a6:803:10::26) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Received: from t3610 (95.151.108.43) by LO4P123CA0423.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:600:18b::14) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3654.12 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:09:42 +0000 X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: f27133bb-f950-4b9a-1c13-08d8a04aab37 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: VI1PR01MB4989: X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-MS-Oob-TLC-OOBClassifiers: OLM:3968; X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck: 1 X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: /CusIGYvoWeX7nwmVWEUpWW5uQ6y9uSrcoAzc8cgb7R67OPSHIZWihO7VuzDNY2afkcJMtnzVpGD+CvPqHxefOibh9Y4D/yVvV01kXj+5z7Agap9HV/OXI4wc28SxUWQii9bj/xYAEcVQWKJ4mFy/5A8qKdjvy6yd9t6pUpMfRkZ+2z3F8suBstVfGUe7pGXPldkObyy1glJJwNhQEeNsNHa28ZhjsVdjoCfVmPs2+hD4peXqrtzpVrKjn0U56JBphDHcxPPDR7niwqbH6nyAEo9Xvg6gk4DSHAcR6WI85i93/9VhGBcN3zjdyFI+oVTdram3XCAOjzRtYg5igxQdLFYm1FchK7C0nldexbbCdAOLRgYUx5QFmMcDsFd+y2UmzGRZQDu914dKjJRAcO+vw== X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(4636009)(136003)(376002)(346002)(39860400002)(396003)(366004)(6496006)(36916002)(2616005)(4326008)(478600001)(786003)(2906002)(36756003)(5660300002)(316002)(66946007)(16526019)(186003)(52116002)(66476007)(6916009)(956004)(66556008)(4744005)(8676002)(966005)(86362001)(6486002)(8936002)(26005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: =?us-ascii?Q?ooCJFO6fqREWYKSl/699E5ZrU77+bz40tCVnSPHNexdi5vY53j7pg1IhFCH0?= =?us-ascii?Q?rEWWw83EDKmwaymkyvakXFKBOeiotMqdQrk3gbh9ILLmhthmsBHm8crcSRw9?= =?us-ascii?Q?qiMA1WYlKV1X38dlPPaoYkmTHP1FLt3eqmm8aEgjSdCML8GkZSo8Gpsb7ABQ?= =?us-ascii?Q?K3ct3cj07N7i0ETI0zarbIr2qu53cj4ULphfX3ojqgJvAUkfLPys29OwYhIt?= =?us-ascii?Q?zFOUcZvIP2gjs6uFSzPfZuXLnEh/KE+xrFEfS4iGnPQqQPdG2fIUt7ghyMma?= =?us-ascii?Q?M6qwK6AR015M3aaJfw8EiyP2/ub6wxTKmY6gwbw7JFrTKrZAVQnTwdR6dJEC?= =?us-ascii?Q?wqcL2BQeujmhfcGBUQ6BIH32s4WFD2COywUfiJDJjxNYFi01PBJD/nbJoQOq?= =?us-ascii?Q?6qIDV2egr0CVd6UCEv5+4LrdC7Tio/UvAFx5BPgH4qU4mHIAoryKo1MOHC1N?= =?us-ascii?Q?hspYqvLByq56ba5BFr20qpOWILBEjewowW6a5ck6w8dmLX2NznqQxxS2iRvY?= =?us-ascii?Q?vkOC8cWIN9/T/Yofc7ig1sTjzBkQQgA3q9jeA9Qixhj1u1KuqbEjqrF/OaM0?= =?us-ascii?Q?CKB8pjfZd+JPmw+kPUnyrn5iOZmF+eOar4U7A7qAQjhcjIcEwECPB7wpOrOU?= =?us-ascii?Q?HUuSBLCQEWNsWpML3zTgKtC4c7kwL93QBmN5iUOk0UC5H/S+BbKhAGZ+Mm8l?= =?us-ascii?Q?wvaVFxkoNi55jE4sxr+NAgVzDZUhKZatzlQ71sdJdR7JaVXQkq/y8flubltH?= =?us-ascii?Q?O73YuP2WqHM+2DqDvwlDK4FxS6RjMUdf1WHMOiqo2W+1yeDl7Uvu83bOUQA9?= =?us-ascii?Q?nE6Qx37tITHyAxrKZNIVg+ZELvW1iwXbNG4RsOuVwkY0g3mLF4o3WuUEGabI?= =?us-ascii?Q?jjoPMkezml5OAib8ETTOqbtQIYEcXGzboqxmQFacXCFCC5vJ6P4J5g9J0DXZ?= =?us-ascii?Q?rVvrFs5o2uHcvzYOEEYvZxwrnFVTEVDaD60RYLvQkTJW7RcrWqueuK7NgO8Y?= =?us-ascii?Q?zVed?= X-OriginatorOrg: ucl.ac.uk X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2020 16:09:43.2855 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 1faf88fe-a998-4c5b-93c9-210a11d9a5c2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f27133bb-f950-4b9a-1c13-08d8a04aab37 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: mV9OJU0aIxKJ3ZX8nLPqA95tVWcIu9yv6V6sLIn8CofWDwluFEKzckcRovh+busU2o43NcYPnQ3BqLFf2WZ08A== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR01MB4989 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=40.107.15.108; envelope-from=e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk; helo=EUR01-DB5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=ucl.ac.uk header.s=selector1 header.b=D0BGQLd7; arc=pass (microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1); dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ucl.ac.uk; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 141C39401BF X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: R+2X/G5ddRga On Monday, 14 Dec 2020 at 23:37, TEC wrote: > 1. I'm very wary of "header creep", see Interesting article, albeit a little old maybe, here: https://www.humanfactors.com/newsletters/breadth_vs_depth_we_revisit_this_question.asp Conclusion is that there is no conclusion. -- : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-160-g7c8dce