From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id pcJgIXXb22HzPAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:08:37 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id uDcVHnXb22GD0QAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:08:37 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB156100AE for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:08:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47046 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6onD-0001tB-Jy for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:08:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6ojR-0001AX-KG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:04:43 -0500 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:50688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6ojL-0000AX-AG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 02:04:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9682DE6C5C; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:04:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kjTGQjPNwmWu; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:04:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (178235147005.dynamic-3-poz-k-0-1-0.vectranet.pl [178.235.147.5]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A746E619F; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:04:24 +0100 (CET) References: <137562d1-e6fe-4a68-b18b-abedef513fbd@www.fastmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 28.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Samuel Banya Subject: Re: Question Regarding Creating Workflow For Automatic Formulas For Finance Based Org Spreadsheet In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 08:04:20 +0100 Message-ID: <87zgo4xea3.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Neil Jerram , Charles Berry Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1641798517; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=zopMH1U1vRESJ5Ruz6IE6Wwh5mdAv4wndK+m2zRrBYU=; b=DDBGRVOwOnwYxXW3b3ju4FY64n3gCc/yb8lr/IwYVQrV46zj8M2U7tWHz9/iPwnVeFI+05 lsKjYiYX/XUlRNOzd6U6PIrMs8blvUR+Iv3pClTEfFPoukmfUWyuirT72tm01/VI977yIy mxVN2+lnkZtFiNK45JPbI0QlnBfUOpVKDA2A7cy3eUSsByj9YwAsnxW0o1NPk1Y/23OuB3 VZogu4NGHqiIIVRD1Hre5038Yby3avuku3Mrdpgc2m6EytdJFy9lB+ON6GfiTEWARsNnxb 1z0k46mZkaKOdD+9gEGxnqHzelqkVGjxZywACoaT64vA0O3y1wQPfOmw31zgEw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1641798517; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=lBTdoRQiOxKoRH39G/bIschUR8o8T6LLgMHxxkN3CwQQ64+jeytu7XE9lwXSSoAhk6mxV2 x6WBrbwUNL+V9tfL01Sce0/dMhLQ3R8CmlDvpnfgmgbEYPwHhMFixzE5dhzSxnKxmbcoTp Le4qwQuU9jYLTqc1W00AIjvKEazbIOzHVtY05/o8TsWPsg6jODVyBGDnZEMs721Pmu56zC B9I2nH5mOox6vb6Boigz9HJTEWEr2HRkkr0Tc5ey1HDZaAMceIbgfMkTG8BORRyeqpth7w EZ6/WqkxY/x+pxZP0vDSDmhZ7EFweVuny3X25y/+ICkl+ipE5QtH9zRdCpQxww== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EB156100AE X-Spam-Score: -3.81 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Pwf6sT/Iz7Mz On 2022-01-10, at 04:42, Samuel Banya wrote: > Ah, Ledger is way too complicated for what it's worth. I've seen videos on YouTube about it, and every person who's praised it is pretty much too smart enough to be able to explain it in simple terms. Interesting - I've been using Ledger for many years now, and while I agree that it has its dark corners, it's much like Org in that respect - you are not forced to use them at all. And the "core" is IMHO /very/ simple - you just record your "transactions" (e.g., using the very nice Emacs ledger-mode) and look at a report. I basically use just one kind of report - the balance report, both to reconcile my ledger file with my cash and bank and to see the current/previous month's income and expenses. Before I started using Ledger, I used GNUcash (on and off for a few years, too) - I can't say a bad word about it, but it's not Emacs-based, so you know. Also, it's not exactly text-based (AFAIR, it uses XML, so it "kind of" is, but...) - a big advantage of Ledger is that I can keep my books in Git. (Of course, using Org would have the same advantage.) Also, if you don't insist on Ledger, https://plaintextaccounting.org/ has a comparison of other text-based accounting tools. I'm wondering if your opinion about Ledger isn't influenced by the fact that it uses basic accounting principles, like the idea of double-entry accounting. For me, it's /very/ simple and intuitive, but I graduated in economics many years ago and had a (basic, but still) course on accounting. If that is your problem, I'd suggest spending some time on understanding that - even if you don't end up using Ledger but some other software, you might find learning about accounting useful. (Also, it's fascinating. No, really! It's an extremely clever abstract system with a real-life use-case.) That said, there are people who just use a regular spreadsheet for their personal/household finance, and it seems to work for them. Go figure. (Now that I think of it, I'll have to ask someone who does how they manage that.) Having said all that, would someone be interested in a blog post(s) with a Ledger basics crash course? Hth, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl