From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id gFj/NoML4WNFbwEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 15:15:31 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id AMLjNoML4WN1QAEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 15:15:31 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 446E9DA5E for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:15:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP2Ga-0005Xn-JU; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 09:14:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP2GX-0004uk-Nc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 09:14:41 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pP2GU-0003Kq-Qy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 09:14:41 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF0F2240278 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:14:36 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675692876; bh=pzudqa8qO1KvhC+FMWDRgieYsuxPyV9kneH0UJfgIn4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=ggVOEVfLOGwq3n5mBrEFEW8L/cL8mZ1sE+N64+b1q03gKT6+WxFZkHQ1ZFXJVdemD +9caiAnjhlYvo0uNHPOhHdBoIx9RcfMKnSIYUUXa9qz2MntbphSSRLNRnJ8VdgYT2b ufVPuRFTwGeN0g0v0STyo4JTFgwJHVAsQ2tpNcslPIKrc2Ud4dT9Ct0CEHRSN7wxQi Z+avBkTtmo3igTta63IyiCBKWCwgVdfx1xzwyUCaMXssgRAgsZ07a+lufu4urWkKCD +/pHjWJEgEO4WX4lG3/WSE9qpJRMOshK44QV11gliPix5L/ElHwL1hJL5XMmIztOPH zSD5KSP4jDAAg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4P9Stz6rh4z9rxB; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:14:35 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: ypuntot Cc: Org-mode Subject: Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda) In-Reply-To: <407d04a9-d959-457f-a4b5-873825938fce@gmail.com> References: <87lelce6iu.fsf@localhost> <407d04a9-d959-457f-a4b5-873825938fce@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 14:15:12 +0000 Message-ID: <87zg9q7udr.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1675692931; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=TXrH/rM+v6oKWBHL8vFicO10eBkdgkDzIeLljSOOVZo=; b=I4jqsFyBZ+Ad1hQh5HM20Pg43T3wPlOchOsHCyrFkTIzx6xt5wtv7n1xE4AxK6fqHHJZJs f21nA+kvBP82LNEZgdd5ARsPeRWBheLMBwDfDmhl55T8LeilChVciLQLG5vWPy/xXWVaM7 zSpdVuKWRYkFL4aF2+z7vlUyHqWa5q/dzFKaXu906jjz5LsxoAP2K+1a44z39op9meyZS2 Ev2MVZZ2TSyO7d+rJg0Lzfbs48F1TV1JHxXdvGeua8iITgjxbGysSj0jtDwCeLrheE0Qxz oAIbgs1dtX5LrGiDq2g/JQ+ht3Xsa7xvwXvuzsoxh7MAR2D0C/w9W7FMSVe8AQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=ggVOEVfL; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1675692931; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=eMKVMshgnd5SqKfJSQEtnuECw8Hb3kxuRev5TZDmjnd9yuxQyFrea/oYuDAeqmA89MSLSc C+lk8hC/FQ09o57SOUAeqaMby/EPZHUNbcRNJ4g50ncV+htQIlqFI0BWo3mtC06FWCXymJ /p11pKsfEVvlPbnBOhdKb0UWF8Y+/evxnb+BVA7sNb6jsoWaOs32LMQa3922fczfaz93Bs TuqQb78AuBhOIS+jXIankbOgk0lpSTdQAUcr86XPb8kvHTYKx68gFAL287oVpaaRwtjDwE GHAgylEdOQ3pBFCOiGk88pEJ/XNKTQTLAoWLs1UVfeGGhAO4dsTrUJ8IAJSItA== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.35 X-Spam-Score: -6.35 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 446E9DA5E X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=ggVOEVfL; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net X-TUID: 7Dw4GYkuEdWL ypuntot writes: > For the Poll, the Jeans proposal would be to introduce manually: > [2024-02-04 12:00 @America/Vancouver] > And org to convert it into: > [2024-02-04 12:00 @-08,America/Vancouver] > ? Depends on context. We are not really discussing what kind of format will Org use by default. Just general syntax. I can see situations where auto-inserting @-08,America/Vancouver makes sense (like in clock items). There are also situations where it does not makes sense and the user is to decide. > Ihor's would add the option to get warnings, in case tzdata changes, when that timestamp is generated? > [2024-02-04 12:00 @-08,!America/Vancouver] > ? This is not Ihor's. All three timestamps are within the discussed format. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at