From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Aaron Ecay Subject: Re: [POLL] Should Org tempo be enabled by default? (expand templates thru e.g. " References: <87lgd671k7.fsf@bzg.fr> <87o9i2p9qq.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87k1sq6znz.fsf@bzg.fr> <871seyp6fr.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <874lju6tap.fsf@bzg.fr> <87bme1y7ft.fsf@gmail.com> <87h8nrbclk.fsf@gmail.com> <87lgd2whh9.fsf@gmx.us> <87sh7a9e33.fsf@gmail.com> <87wowi8100.fsf@gmx.us> <87wowgr1rp.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7tb6pt3.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51084) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fFqwb-0002En-OL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 07 May 2018 20:57:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fFqwW-0001jR-Ta for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 07 May 2018 20:57:29 -0400 Received: from mail-wr0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22e]:35416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fFqwW-0001i3-O9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 07 May 2018 20:57:24 -0400 Received: by mail-wr0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id i14-v6so27321256wre.2 for ; Mon, 07 May 2018 17:57:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a7tb6pt3.fsf@gmx.us> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Rasmus , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Rasmus, 2018ko maiatzak 7an, Rasmus-ek idatzi zuen: >=20 > They=E2=80=99d already have the "old" behavior if it=E2=80=99s enabled by= default in > org.el.=20=20 Indeed, my suggestion is not an alternative to keeping (what is now called) org-tempo turned on by default indefinitely. It is an alternative to turning org-tempo off suddenly. > Perhaps I=E2=80=99m too cruel or harsh after many years of dealing with t= he > Emacs-way, but I do think that such as change is adequatly documented > in ORG-NEWS and the manual. (Days after a new release there will also > be a stackoverflow question for the Googlers).=20=20 Here I am much more conservative than you: I think that puzzling users so that they ask questions on stack overflow is an outcome that should be avoided if possible. I also think experience shows that ORG-NEWS is missed by a significant fraction of users. Besides, I am a programmer not a writer so I believe in the power of code over prose :P [...] >=20 > Customize-changed would bring up the changes to > org-structure-template-alist, which mentions Org Tempo. Interesting. I didn=CA=BCt know about that function. I just tried M-x customize-changed RET Org 9.0 RET. That gives an error; it seems to only work based on emacs versions and not package versions. That=CA=BCs unfortunate, it would have been nice if people who install org from ELPA could use the function to keep up with org changes independently from their emacs version. (In fact, I just sent this as a feature request to the emacs bug tracker, #31383) --=20 Aaron Ecay