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From: stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>
Cc: Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Feature] add a new org-attach dispatcher command to offline save web page
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:03:47 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2pbsdj0.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
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Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>> It does not mean that attaching URL directly is not worth including
>> into org. This sounds pretty common use case, especially considering
>> the number of packages providing similar feature. You mentioned
>> org-board, but there is also org-download and org-web-tools.
> My uneasiness has more to do with the specificity of the dependence on
> monolith and the way that is hard-coded into the patch. When it comes to
> patches, I think priority should go to those that are configurable,
> accessible, and useful for everyone as opposed to those that have
> hard-coded work-flows or highly-specific user configurations.

I don't think it's hardcoded, As I said in my first email, It's an `defcustom',
isn't it? User totally can change that. And I used `executable-find', the value
will be `nil' when monolith is not available. And I don't have ability to
archive same functionality with wget or curl. And as I said before, PATCH

>> I agree that monolith is completely uncommon tool and I would not expect
>> the majority of users to have it installed, but the same functionality
>> utilising built-in url.el (as a default) should be acceptable.
> The question is: which functionality? A simple downloading tool or a
> full archival tool? Achieving similar functionality to org-board or
> monolith would a big task, since they aim to download an archival
> version of a webpage (including all resources). In addition, with
> archiving you also quickly run into the complexity of versioning based
> on time archived. There's also the challenge of mapping the downloaded
> files to metadata (specifically the original url). Org-board currently
> handles both of these very well.

If you mean adding a timestamp and original URL, I don't think its our argument
point, because user totally can do it manually, or automatic this task in some
kind of way. WDYT?

> I suppose there would be a few options depending on what the aims are:
> 1. At the simple end, include little more than than a quick and dirty
>    way of downloading a single resource (html, pdf, jpeg) using url.el
>    or wget (or optionally, monolith) and putting that in the attachment
>    folder. Those who want full archiving of all resources could use
>    other tools like org-board or org-web-tools.

the [u] url downloading method already did the simple task.

> 2. At the (much) more complex end, it would be to code out a robust
>    archiving solution on top of url.el or wget.

As I said, PATCH welcome, I admired many times I don't have ability to build a
complex archive functionality on url.el or wget or curl.

Isn't Org Mode build up from small things? Can just become a big tool at once?

> 3. Another, possibly simpler option... Add a command to the dispatcher
>    that allows the user to invoke a custom function that is called with
>    the attachment directory as the default-directory. This would enable
>    more end-user flexibility, such as the ability to use
>    wkhtmtoimage/wkhtmltopdf, monolith, phantom.js, archive.is, etc.

This is leaved to `defcustom' option. I will improve the download function to
have enough elasticity.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-29  2:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-27  9:55 stardiviner
2020-05-28  2:55 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-28  5:49   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28  6:39     ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 14:03       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 16:00         ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 18:16           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 16:19     ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-28 17:11       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 22:15         ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-29  2:15           ` stardiviner
2020-05-29  2:06         ` stardiviner
2020-05-29  2:03       ` stardiviner [this message]
2020-05-29  2:17         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-29  6:16           ` stardiviner
2020-05-29 15:33           ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-29 16:32             ` stardiviner
2020-05-30  6:09             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28  6:37   ` stardiviner
2020-05-28  6:40   ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 22:24 ` Samuel Wales
2020-05-29  2:23 ` [PATCH updated] " stardiviner
2020-05-29  2:27 ` stardiviner
2020-06-02 12:20   ` Bastien
2020-06-02 14:06     ` stardiviner
2020-06-02 14:26       ` Bastien
2020-06-02 14:40         ` stardiviner
2020-06-03 15:10           ` Bastien
2020-06-03 23:34             ` stardiviner

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