From: stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com>
To: Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>
Cc: Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Feature] add a new org-attach dispatcher command to offline save web page
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:03:47 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2pbsdj0.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874ks0vxpk.fsf@fastmail.fm>
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Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> It does not mean that attaching URL directly is not worth including
>> into org. This sounds pretty common use case, especially considering
>> the number of packages providing similar feature. You mentioned
>> org-board, but there is also org-download and org-web-tools.
>
> My uneasiness has more to do with the specificity of the dependence on
> monolith and the way that is hard-coded into the patch. When it comes to
> patches, I think priority should go to those that are configurable,
> accessible, and useful for everyone as opposed to those that have
> hard-coded work-flows or highly-specific user configurations.
I don't think it's hardcoded, As I said in my first email, It's an `defcustom',
isn't it? User totally can change that. And I used `executable-find', the value
will be `nil' when monolith is not available. And I don't have ability to
archive same functionality with wget or curl. And as I said before, PATCH
welcome.
>
>> I agree that monolith is completely uncommon tool and I would not expect
>> the majority of users to have it installed, but the same functionality
>> utilising built-in url.el (as a default) should be acceptable.
>
> The question is: which functionality? A simple downloading tool or a
> full archival tool? Achieving similar functionality to org-board or
> monolith would a big task, since they aim to download an archival
> version of a webpage (including all resources). In addition, with
> archiving you also quickly run into the complexity of versioning based
> on time archived. There's also the challenge of mapping the downloaded
> files to metadata (specifically the original url). Org-board currently
> handles both of these very well.
If you mean adding a timestamp and original URL, I don't think its our argument
point, because user totally can do it manually, or automatic this task in some
kind of way. WDYT?
>
> I suppose there would be a few options depending on what the aims are:
>
> 1. At the simple end, include little more than than a quick and dirty
> way of downloading a single resource (html, pdf, jpeg) using url.el
> or wget (or optionally, monolith) and putting that in the attachment
> folder. Those who want full archiving of all resources could use
> other tools like org-board or org-web-tools.
the [u] url downloading method already did the simple task.
>
> 2. At the (much) more complex end, it would be to code out a robust
> archiving solution on top of url.el or wget.
As I said, PATCH welcome, I admired many times I don't have ability to build a
complex archive functionality on url.el or wget or curl.
Isn't Org Mode build up from small things? Can just become a big tool at once?
>
> 3. Another, possibly simpler option... Add a command to the dispatcher
> that allows the user to invoke a custom function that is called with
> the attachment directory as the default-directory. This would enable
> more end-user flexibility, such as the ability to use
> wkhtmtoimage/wkhtmltopdf, monolith, phantom.js, archive.is, etc.
>
This is leaved to `defcustom' option. I will improve the download function to
have enough elasticity.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-29 2:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-27 9:55 [Feature] add a new org-attach dispatcher command to offline save web page stardiviner
2020-05-28 2:55 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-28 5:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 6:39 ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 14:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 16:00 ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 18:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 16:19 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-28 17:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 22:15 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-29 2:15 ` stardiviner
2020-05-29 2:06 ` stardiviner
2020-05-29 2:03 ` stardiviner [this message]
2020-05-29 2:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-29 6:16 ` stardiviner
2020-05-29 15:33 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-29 16:32 ` stardiviner
2020-05-30 6:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 6:37 ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 6:40 ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 22:24 ` Samuel Wales
2020-05-29 2:23 ` [PATCH updated] " stardiviner
2020-05-29 2:27 ` stardiviner
2020-06-02 12:20 ` Bastien
2020-06-02 14:06 ` stardiviner
2020-06-02 14:26 ` Bastien
2020-06-02 14:40 ` stardiviner
2020-06-03 15:10 ` Bastien
2020-06-03 23:34 ` stardiviner
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