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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Jean Louis Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=iGvxYcp+; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=web.de (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: 37wRYUneLy86 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: > Before being applied, this change has been discussed on emacs-devel and > emacs-orgmode; it has then been documented in ORG-NEWS. Which other > places do you think we should have reached out to? I don=E2=80=99t think you really had a chance to reach enough people. I=E2= =80=99m here on the list now because I got a note about the call for help from a colleague at work. Before that I was simply happy that most things worked, wrote the occassional M-x org-submit-bug-report (actually with Ido: M-x org-bug) and dug through emacswiki or the web when something didn=E2=80=99t work. When missing names for some annoyance, I couldn=E2=80= =99t do much about it, because I couldn=E2=80=99t search for it. Changes like these which affect existing behavior are just really hard to do in a way that doesn=E2=80=99t create problems. There=E2=80=99s a deep challenge hidden beneath this which Steve Losh wrote masterfully about: https://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/04/volatile-software/ Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein ohne es zu merken --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAl+yJwgQHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD68RED/4nnQsxJvCzhISQs3SwDRA25Nikm5fVuZ+a S5Fhh88WEJ0kdqN7fRLVne4LGLzo21bH7jVvstHNKvhgfxSOqLh+SaziPUW+PuQ+ oOCkWTu0f7sDsY5arYIPfJC2w5yi7oVkiwRx6i4g+zxAglasPVBuDbjhUnOQG7jn KL96cOa388oy6XDbw9BoiVdmFoxOrwFiEN6sdlf47cY8Y9sTm2N5ZaBPUTxxB+9e EQc/UZaQ0D8Z2Fm3i5mEZcUagMlzDhk99043EB0mPZgeLU1gKisUHbCuQbBPK/8U bW27cKUtJefCfxoZJcO1HQDevvUGhCqXRgbzE4iviDduGRU/ijVpZcqmIfw8B8wz mXyrRlRPc4Uj+EzH58GW14zNvAKOBlXqN+bKhjIcNwS7Wt69spkLtKq7TiksGfGK ix5FHxgiYaEIAWSnd/te2sHLEKR+tktvnnOkBeVFm7hma6jWLY1rdvaEIHj4r2xB dGVWsvjzcj2o03nhpVrbDPxOD3WWotIJHlMsAeaQppnzTNBZd7b//Ml2uv/nG4NU o83p/BTo8McynwIB9nRMvSKRD3IZBpcOE6i4qNC4oqp2e1DAdqdJ/u44zBfV5uVc SeJcv8j68YKJo7jn7F0xRhxzS4/lK/Vbt6jxwM1ep3UXKfBaJqvOsx9+5VguqBhS FnlA3vWpnYjEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAl+yJwgQHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSFBMA/9/IYomTujj4zrYTdoSnAXz91Gh C9JkFepxj/tU4nLeVlTRsG+WOdFXyO28qiewMWNvd+X+XPx4Rk2SsTLljLtOS1eQ gHidTev3uHqwlenJ1qUhsU04/QE/iLeKboR7SN76cRg+3ULJc/3t4CwEIqgYS81b 2q8bl0dA/BbxF83hLg== =0Lyh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--