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Dye=E2=80=9D writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> Vikas Rawal writes: >> >>> What is the general view of the community about this? Is there a >>> comprehensive discussion of pros and cons of each? >> >> Prof. Kitchin himself provided a summary on why he decided to give up on >> using org-cite. See >> > This claim in Kitchin=E2=80=99s summary surprised me: > > =E2=80=9CIt comes down to org-ref using bibtex/biblatex as the predominan= t citation > processor, and org-cite using CSL. These two processors have different sy= ntaxes, > and I don=E2=80=99t think it is possible to have a single approach that w= orks for both > of them without making compromises in capability.=E2=80=9D > > I wonder what are the =E2=80=9Ccompromises in capability=E2=80=9D require= d to support both? > > I haven=E2=80=99t found them yet, though I=E2=80=99m just now finishing o= ld projects started > prior to the release of org-cite and haven=E2=80=99t worked through a LaT= eX export > project with it. My first, and so far only, project with org-cite was fo= r a > simple html-based presentation using CSL, and I was pleased with the resu= lts and > relative ease of setup. > > All the best, > Tom For what it=E2=80=99s worth, I use `org-ref` because fine-grained citation = export with LaTeX (using BibTeX or BibLaTeX) only works with `org-ref`, and not with `org-cite`. If I remember correctly, `org-cite` exports the formatted citations into the LaTeX file, which is a no-go for me (let me know if I am wrong). Then, for example, it is really difficult to use different style files, etc. With `org-ref`, I can use BibLaTeX with specific style files. (Journal require different style files). I can even use my personal LaTeX classes (with spec= ific bibliography styles) for Org export. Not sure if this helps=E2=80=A6, but this is maybe what John Kitchin is ref= erring to. Dominik --=-=-=--