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Thanks for correcting me on that. I remember having LaTeX files with full citations in them, but maybe I messed something up. > > Or rather, it=E2=80=99s only true if you use the oc-csl export processor;= you > can use other export processors (like oc-biblatex) to get whatever > LaTeX output you want, and =E2=80=A6 > >> =E2=80=A6. it is really difficult to use different style files, etc. Wi= th >> `org-ref`, I can use BibLaTeX with specific style files. (Journal require >> different style files). I can even use my personal LaTeX classes (with s= pecific >> bibliography styles) for Org export. > > =E2=80=A6 I believe Nicolas recently added support for customizing the > export styles for biblatex. > > Bruce When I tried setting `org-cite` up, it didn=E2=80=99t work. Maybe I should = give it another try at some point. For now, I am happy with `org-ref`. --=-=-=--