From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id EHxZFakuMWP7DAAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:46:33 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id kIRiFakuMWNu8QAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:46:33 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFBC53F308 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47314 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ocg0l-00064J-Hg for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:46:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ocfzv-000647-TL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:45:39 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-x42d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d]:44642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ocfzu-0007jZ-6n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:45:39 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id v186so5491454pfv.11 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 21:45:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=bnKoHtJj1Hba54X6P0rx/PmNPMS7rFrG2MAU33npXgE=; b=Bd41YP2uxvQ0LpVTJd/PwHuslaE1I/dQtH64AKgppohbBnljoN6LtP6i5SM6N4o336 3Z5NZa/KLIyN2nAr3kcXgw/ZsySNifitQm9PGMX5wAadXKHA1GOP3qd9gT9A6pguqrvN 2zUy08jO2cyB6bAwiysw4rbtTBjdNpsRROj3cW1vQxDkjEbmTkMXrEkiEj6JAyiTNqHo XlJCEbwqfnmLI9UDvj0vB/4QJGhxOZO4Lb4yQrTkLrYnuBt+ZPT9OT+H9v90RV6ZlJbX YSPpWmkrlnZbgOgNNyWGUCca4JvP/KODtESnk6nJV0ecVZCvzQtrx51qp24SKGMyxa9U 7CDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=bnKoHtJj1Hba54X6P0rx/PmNPMS7rFrG2MAU33npXgE=; b=3oAXbcC9LarLBCP08EKlhFCfLMgEXnJkJZ5yqbQJAqzgJ3NfBwEk9ier+5WIJceANb +Cq2+91XHLu8etNToNwEE5/Q5Bq9jv8KuSDxbbntU1X96mrWXoLcfZ3ThYJfBUpQNFcA W9yoENsUOjmA95RhrZWxfp2zpLCzuYqPBlxAbxYiI/Kn7DlcF6vHviEWjKnh9F/DoAVY i+9zzxzMdUvjwDZW9avlm6xGzVtic9/zFcnQoznmczLybByK9omXLyg5h0qSciB5Wzt+ YngWIn9+b+LY31X34JzX6k6wUCbj+2ed205Ull8u4KDKUF+RgBUZuptS1eFIStjBwNts iEeg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0TJ23PVJ5lTe7AYtdjmR8xnnh3KC+huB6uXT34mQiHpZG5pXtO R0lCEhfEWJh2Q5o5dgF+cX7CxewkPaY+8A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5GpaaY1+M5hbrV7V4vaQB96wMjbKzeyJmiNC143ZxlpsyvC5ZCOU9eiz4RJPX9cBxdJj+EMQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:1ac6:b0:548:962b:4c50 with SMTP id f6-20020a056a001ac600b00548962b4c50mr21771451pfv.76.1664167536658; Sun, 25 Sep 2022 21:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([2409:8970:a80:3a4:8ec6:81ff:fe70:339d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ik24-20020a170902ab1800b0017495461db7sm10082356plb.190.2022.09.25.21.45.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 25 Sep 2022 21:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Russell Adams Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done) In-Reply-To: References: <871qs6ygmv.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkrasnla.fsf@localhost> <871qs6li9l.fsf@gnu.org> <874jx2wqgi.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <87czbq7ach.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsgmqu1h.fsf@localhost> <87r105xicb.fsf@localhost> <8735cgt99t.fsf@localhost> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 12:46:27 +0800 Message-ID: <87y1u668v0.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d; envelope-from=yantar92@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x42d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664167592; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=bnKoHtJj1Hba54X6P0rx/PmNPMS7rFrG2MAU33npXgE=; b=PBxKWYVL5uZb9utpjNn5wwiijIf0pjXTwIHfglBCH1sIRTpsoBhC3ggKk78x8ovmAZVFvs B3zpfaAxuyzwTvQEZxt2sKFYnVRkSOIN5A4F50awPcpkiXpwHbS5cjmOmKuwQfCydQTedX m9Y7+i8+DS8Ha9NhBQ3802yafuDZ1leN161ldFcyhCLYN91NzH33DLHB1XRMUUd3Q/02SY R4NZLZICyZSiSS1tYxFjr9Q0Q+K0ODonJ+oSbi4g7EcSSQt41NgodvmJSO65OHXBF3jZUV jmuFWmYF7aSr4c0qeF1BK5lGr1LX50m06iR541q+tdHCmDxAWjZHlw7tWwyFEA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664167592; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=OJG8aRVew2HRh6Xww8BpqBiatDy077W9yuDmGN3Eoy9+VoYWPh90rnDx8lXXfXNHfBgctz iJRuWCmsg0PpjEdHgs2DLppDvL1puhiq49KzvvsMHMmHOQTnPvWsrrhKgYjFshoKiekmm7 Hsp56sJCp7oHlvrIzKQypHUNddEnKSbG8ytBDBJspIKiB9FhL0neokdyoHHPvsixruwsjI eWI/xwIZXThlmzpa+sM3hDToTII9LO6p6ZdeWuTKPIZUSPiVmf4CDpg1AR2KBo77OmvqBv m2EMaTyRycu7O+CtSFIBZzmkKIi+NnVeCnGAs4u/jafvc58deYNHNzHvZL16wA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Bd41YP2u; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.84 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Bd41YP2u; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CFBC53F308 X-Spam-Score: -1.84 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: tD5pK1+YGFrR Russell Adams writes: >> AFAIU, this should be supported by the IRC server. Does irc.libera.chat >> (where #org-mode channel is hosted) support logging? > > There is no log today. > > Also our parent channel #emacs prohibits logging. > > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsChannelLogging Does #org-mode share such a strong stand? If so, it may be problematic even to quote the discussions there in Org commit messages. IMHO, it makes #org-mode a lot less usable for the purposes of Org development. Deliberately public and unencrypted matrix #org-mode room is better in this regard. -- Ihor Radchenko, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at https://orgmode.org/. Support Org development at https://liberapay.com/org-mode, or support my work at https://liberapay.com/yantar92