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From: Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@googlemail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Problem exporting code
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:13:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wqv5wjw8.fsf@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87wqv5irnp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

Hi Bastien, 

your post touches two topics that I'm currently dealing with, so here
are two questions with regards to this topics:

(1)
>> I'm not certain why the distributor refers to this as "a rather
>> drastic measure." From my perspective as a user, whose interests
>> required using the git version of Org from the beginning, the Emacs
>> distribution of Org has been nothing but trouble, leading to
>> perplexing (for me) problems with mixed installs that I would rather
>> have avoided.
>
> The distribution of Org as a built-in package in Emacs is *not* the
> problem.
>
> Installing Org through git or through .tar.gz/.zip on top of the Emacs
> distribution does not create problems if you follow the instructions
> in the manual -- I made a special effort to simplify them.

I recently experienced some casual trouble when updating Org-mode from
Git (I simply updated at a moment, when actual org.el wouldn't load due to a
bug that was to be fixed soon fixed soon. Here is the related thread on
the mailing list:

[[gnus:nntp%2Bnews.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode#87ehhmnqu6.fsf@googlemail.com][Email from Thorsten Jolitz: Re:  {BUG} `org-load-noerror-m]]

In this thread, I was told that I'm causing 'a future train wreck' with
my habit to simply trash the org folder from the Emacs installation and
replace it with a symlink to the git version in my home dir (I had
enough trouble with mixed installs, and this seems to avoid them -
having only the git version, no Elpa and no Emacs version). 

Now I was told there will be troubles with the autoloads, and I would
like to understand better what the possible implications are. I do 'make
autoloads' in the git version of org, so there is a loaddefs.el. There
is of course another loaddefs.el in the Emacs directory that is not
updated when I replace the Emacs org folder with a symlink to the
(slightly different) git version.

Is there really 'big trouble' possible due to this? Should I run 'make
autoloads' in the Emacs installation directory again?

(2)

> Also, I consider outline.el to be completely unusable, and Org is
> first an enhanced version of it, which Emacs strongly needs.  I plan
> to push so that files in Emacs use org.el when they use outline.el.

When I started with Emacs, I had one .emacs init-file that became more
and more chaotic over time (and a real pain for navigation and
maintainment). Then I started to use a multi-file set-up, first Elisp
files, then using .org files via the starter-kit. 

Now I know about M-x occur and recently discovered that
outline-minor-mode enables me to define my own outline-regexps in an .el
file, so I'm back to the start - using one big /.emacs.d/init.el, but
this time with all the outline functionality. 

Here is a short excerpt from the init.el, showing that my
outline-headings just look like outcommented org-headings:

,----------------------------------------------------
| ;; * Recovery from Problems
| 
| ;; ** Debugging
| 
| (when section-debugging (message "99 Debugging...")
| 
| ...
| 
| (message "99 Debugging... Done"))
| 
| ;; Local Variables:
| ;; coding: utf-8
| ;; mode: emacs-lisp
| ;; eval: (outline-minor-mode)
| ...
| ;; outline-regexp: ";; [*]+ "
| ;; End:
`----------------------------------------------------

Except for the extraordinary weird key-bindings of outline-minor-mode
(e.g. C-c @ C-n), that I still did not manage to override (with the
usual Org-mode bindings), I'm very satisfied with this set-up, it gives
me the best of both worlds (full outline functionality and the very
simple and direct approach of having just one init.el).

Why do you consider outline(-minor-mode) as completely unusable? And how
would you replace it in my use case with org(-struct?)? I'm asking just
out of curiosity, and to learn a bit more, there are no urgent problems
to be solved on my side here. 

-- 
cheers,
Thorsten

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-22 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-20 23:44 Problem exporting code Ken Williams
2013-01-21  0:31 ` Ken Williams
2013-01-21  3:15   ` Eric S Fraga
2013-01-21  4:57     ` Ken Williams
2013-01-21  5:36       ` John Hendy
2013-01-21  5:38         ` John Hendy
2013-01-21  6:05         ` Ken Williams
2013-01-21  7:39           ` Eric S Fraga
2013-01-21 15:58             ` Ken Williams
2013-01-21 16:48               ` John Hendy
2013-01-21 17:45                 ` Ken Williams
2013-01-21 22:16                   ` John Hendy
2013-01-21 22:51                     ` Ken Williams
2013-01-22  0:14                       ` Thomas S. Dye
     [not found]                       ` <CA+M2ft_nyHsjC3V0FPvL+NbYBTP1FGKLqF0=miX09uByhS_oKA@mail.gmail.com>
2013-01-22  2:48                         ` Ken Williams
2013-01-22  7:01                           ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-01-22  7:49                             ` Bastien
2013-01-22 11:13                               ` Thorsten Jolitz [this message]
2013-01-22 11:54                                 ` Bastien
2013-01-22 12:58                                   ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-22 19:45                                   ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-01-22 21:41                                     ` Bastien
2013-01-22 13:02                               ` Ken Williams
2013-01-22 13:10                                 ` Bastien
2013-01-22 17:44                               ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-22 21:41                                 ` Bastien
2013-01-22 17:37                             ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-22 19:39                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-01-23  7:27                                 ` Achim Gratz
2013-01-21 23:43               ` Eric S Fraga
2013-01-21  6:11         ` Ken Williams
2013-01-21  5:52       ` Ken Williams

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