From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: gnus: link annoyance Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <87wqic0zdm.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87zjn9w79w.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> <87k3edcbe5.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> <87lhys2x24.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0VRN-0007nY-Rp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:07:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0VRI-0002Sa-1O for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:07:25 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0VRH-0002SF-RS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:07:19 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0VRE-0002W6-06 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 13:07:16 +0100 Received: from pool-98-110-175-184.bstnma.fios.verizon.net ([98.110.175.184]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 13:07:15 +0100 Received: from ndokos by pool-98-110-175-184.bstnma.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 13:07:15 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org François Pinard writes: > Nick Dokos writes: > >> François Pinard writes: > >>> Whenever I visit a "gnus:" type link from Org, it has the side effect of >>> "reading" the article in Gnus parlance, forcing me to "unread" it each >>> time afterwards. > >> it's certainly not lost: the link continues to work, even if it points >> to a read article; and visiting the group with C-u in gnus >> also allows you to see previously read articles. > > Hi, Nick. > > Of course, you are fully right in that the article is still there, and > likely unexpired. But in practice, from my viewpoint, it is not there > anymore: I do not usually enter groups by C-u SPC. While possible, it > is unusual that I want to find and read again an article which I once > decided has been read for good. > The question is how one deals with those unusual cases where you do want to revisit an article (or a mail message: to gnus they are the same thing). > If I search all mailgroups for a certain string, and randomly check > hits, I do not want these articles I check to later have disappeared > from sight in practice. I was not really in the process of reading > articles, but merely checking on them. You call it checking but you are really reading them: how exactly is org or gnus to know that even though you are reading the articles, you are not really reading them? > It would not make sense that Org removes lines that I visit after a > grep, and when grepping through many files, would they be Org, > non-Org, mailboxes or articles in mailgroups, I am in a mode where I > do not expect any kind of altering behaviour. > But it doesn't: the links in the org file still work. In any case, you must have read the article in order to determine that you want to save a link to it. Then following the link does not change the flags: it was read before, it's still read after. I suspect however that my arguments are going to convince you just as much as your arguments have convinced me :-) -- Nick