From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id kKOzGCffk2BvWAEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 06 May 2021 14:20:55 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id MEZ1FCffk2BASgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 06 May 2021 12:20:55 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B88C622B1C for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 14:20:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:56326 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leczt-0000ct-Kl for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 08:20:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60294) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lecrB-0003e9-06 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 08:11:53 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:46653) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lecr3-0005kn-Eq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2021 08:11:52 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.131.40.67 Received: from localhost (40-67.ipv4.commingeshautdebit.fr [185.131.40.67]) (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86B0A6000A; Thu, 6 May 2021 12:11:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: "Bruce D'Arcus" Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] New natbib processor References: <87eeel44gt.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Bruce D'Arcus" , Org Mode List Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 14:11:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Bruce D'Arcus's message of "Thu, 6 May 2021 04:47:51 -0400") Message-ID: <87wnsc2hag.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.195; envelope-from=mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr; helo=relay3-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org Mode List Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620303654; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=8D4tTSxgH1vac6V1k+eDnJlP68pkFnfrTDYcs1YEpvI=; b=EaXUMS9r3Ra8kxyxH6vZD8cN+nMjnfmXnP48GDkifr8sztuBM6rBiwYEjYiwwyBim4co/9 2b0tot/NRblfMeN2PAhaYpumPxA7a0MvvwMZCgBsQ/vOlHXqVnnFOEvdPHHHhOPov5pdcB 3Usp8fIvTt2TfA4elFqWfJbuBkLDcGAsbmvb9CfmO8ullZ0PWJeCk9eaZ5czZDo4yIG0Lm pun724dpxzX67kO/vh9InnQnmLmN8+ac8kdAsyO6d3McYrIc3of52F31n1mRHvT48pSe0G 6CqJ/r9r2Krcc2CU4gpFvfMYLSzyRSmFVkkZvf+Mc4ThmeOyn0RgwQoFsoTtTA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620303654; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=IBbgViLLwpC8wfa4GA+wpwxXr2dSWSAxvrEcri8rmbSEhrKS7OONaKCTNQKO2JsckkgoZO 26tOyFkidUr+DsEpLYrIquRV4vIMzwEG4VOVF7yDEiFWyUmZyg6MLeso7+6IUb3lCCxF1B zmC5qH6qCE2ewIr4N/pzWlTgrLkSbqG+oRbN3so7fm9XSSLmYODu4UrVeqWRK3ErWh/vcC MZtOzF1wvcjl6ISco9pIxuCHomp5wjzWumKOv6X4Q2w37i+RVrF5JUR4603f3ZIkc3oz0O taBGkYB44YLrRyl6plTImqpM4DKIXfX10AauWg0H4PE4iQOkoRBnEvBizWpF6A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.96 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B88C622B1C X-Spam-Score: -0.96 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kt9+39Od8+72 Hello, "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > To come back to this .... > > On Wed, May 5, 2021, 10:53 AM Nicolas Goaziou > wrote: > > Also it introduces ambiguities in style inheritance. >> For example, if I add >> >> #+cite_export: natbib plainnat text >> >> would >> >> [cite//alt/caps:...] >> >> mean >> >> [cite/text/alt/caps:...] (i.e., \Citealt{...}) >> >> or really >> >> [cite//alt/caps:] (i.e., \Citealp{...}) >> >> ? > > > I added the following to the wiki page, which I think addresses this: > > Note that `text/alt` would not make sense, as the sub-style in this case > would override the style. The first case means inheritance ignores sub-styles. Those are added as a second pass. The second case means anything with a sub-style is excluded from inheritance. Both make sense. Did I say I don't like sub-styles already? :) Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou