From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id oB9UN4XJpGGwFQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:37:25 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id cIzzMoXJpGG9OAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:37:25 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93F131D016 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:37:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:40568 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrfuN-0002QA-JJ for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:37:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrftn-0002OO-Dv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:36:47 -0500 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:49192) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mrftl-00063F-A0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:36:47 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFCBE6DA8; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:36:35 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n_qmSG1chNxW; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:36:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (178235147228.dynamic-3-poz-k-0-1-0.vectranet.pl [178.235.147.228]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 83803E64B8; Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:36:16 +0100 (CET) References: <2021-11-28T20-44-37@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87a6hngbns.fsf@posteo.net> <87y257plg9.fsf@mbork.pl> <87o8636tpe.fsf@posteo.net> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 28.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski To: Juan Manuel =?utf-8?Q?Mac=C3=ADas?= Subject: Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode In-reply-to: <87o8636tpe.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:36:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87wnkrp29x.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638189445; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=DP8HUWKFGb6NIsq7cDKvRNVbuoaSRuT5cnaT4J0VVaA=; b=JzQlw4AhZ89cEjcRm+INxs61DdRJbHnPFyZg/dWsfhSfoQj/KRiwcm+HLjORY3DbcBCRaf IRkvEY75LLGuMJymGg3M/eu/BZCostTPUCcNTJYvCYM/4E3G3n+o6YaM6fE0kXjJ4VdBYd Sg6thLczRlzJ3TZaknNTOCkmI9pV4sVlBL3eQYSel2J8SQEyRhDBd4PrdnDoh64smvs0fP cYB1/84sbc9xN25VSwTzr7QafmBYV0LTqMSxy77hTSZ1kyjLrHRy5EH0jSgVr3pmK+vhkx 2n+eTX4vsdboWYzioTgGjSgMRLWNT+MSpCHU4pnOWrzNpIyz1zx64wI3soXeZA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638189445; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=t08ZtPK5VQcan1BUZ4VBCcg3n1pulMP/LG8Glx9P4Oy875LL8LLIkq5O235O0T2vKTiEHj btL8P9b2tPrgph4IwVdNuKpUlMDWLhz8w+Wq7nlC+QNB7wiTcEyAI1kBpYxZFKyQPCFSB8 QOO3dybyEUc8ZkZcA4TkoFqiaU5Fwigdn6TVinM2jBRufn/h2Vkf+TZuWASYQz/GTz0dOa wNdVVc1rLspkmXX2ATmE5vWJYi8JnCv3Abc+lJBO/Iq2OM4RBJo/yIsmWRGdec9vQPPxr8 2soR26JpJGWl4nT/Izh3siPQic/4u0HaSTIU8BjVWWZ1ByiYDdyBxvGJS7Glxw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 93F131D016 X-Spam-Score: -3.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: MYCnc0jOTaNy On 2021-11-29, at 13:18, Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas w= rote: > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >> Quite the contrary. The amount of confusion between TeX (engine)/TeX >> (language)/TeX (distro)/TeX-aware text editor/LaTeX (whatever) among >> novice/casual users has always been terrible. > > It's natural when those novice/casual users approach something that is > new to them, but nothing invincible when they want to learn. The "TeX" > ecosystem is not trivial, but I think that all, or almost all of us, > understand each other when things like 'TeX/LaTeX code', 'TeX engine', > 'LaTeX format', etc. are said. If the TeX language were somewhat > self-contained and widely used outside of TeX, I would see OK that the > language had its own name. But, since the TeX language is something that > almost only TeX understands (roughly said), I think the economy wins > here (IMHO). I don't see how we could improve everything by having half > a dozen more exotic names. Agreed, I just wanted to say that the situation with TeX is more complicated. Especially that 92%* TeX users are novice/casual users. * Number made up, but loosely based on anecdotal evidence;-). --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl