From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien_Vauban?= Subject: Re: Collaborate with heretics Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:37:15 +0100 Message-ID: <87vdgs5ryc.fsf@mundaneum.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Hi Andrea, andrea wrote: > I try to be a prophet of emacs and org-mode but sometimes it's just a > loss of time. > Even very skilled informatics weren't convinced, sometimes they didn't > like it sometimes they just didn't want to spend time on it. > > Once it happened that a friend of mine that was working with excel > tables saw how the text was flowing nicely on my org-mode buffer. > He was amazed and wanted to know everything and use it. > > I was very happy about and I installed all the necessary, but then it > didn't work out. > It's just too "alien" for people used to work with office (bleah). > > Emacs is not easy, org-mode also adds a lot of complexity (even if it's > really elegant and clear), and if both are not used daily it could > become more a pain than a pleasure. > > But I'm convinced there's nothing more powerful on earth than org-mode > for working with plain text files. > > So my question is a bit egoistic in fact, I want it whenever possible > also forcing other people to do it. > > The other way for serious work is anyway latex, which is not at all > easier to manage. I completely share your observations, and your convictions on this (Emacs, Org-mode and LaTeX). I must admit, as well, that I'd have been (and stayed there) in the category of the guys that don't see the advantages of those (and are reluctant becau= se against Emacs and LaTeX because of their unattractive sides) if I hadn't ha= d a colleague in my office that convinced me, thanks to a small set of good cho= sen points: things that helped me work less for an even better result (such as LaTeX for automatic generation of contents with some bash scripting, or pcl-csv integration into Emacs, with easy diff capabilities, etc.). > Regarding the org-lite, I think it's quite difficult to create it, the > text manipulation which is done is really dynamic, a normal grammar > would not be enough. > > But I guess in org-mobile there's code that could be very useful for > an org-lite, is there a plan to port that program to osx/windows/linux? However, I don't how to get more people on board. It is true (and normal) t= hat it takes a bit more of effort in the beginning. Difficult to avoid that -- that dream is just too much. However, they still are potentialities with the Wiki stuff I'm still assessing (waiting it to be "perfect" before being the prophet in my company): - Blorgit - IkiWiki Best regards, Seb --=20 S=C3=A9bastien Vauban _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode