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From: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>
To: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com>
Cc: Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com>,
	emacs-orgmode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Formal description of Org files
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:04:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vcuzhmsq.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACHMzOHEa71TAoyhoEsrFoGgadCeuk4YEc5OYy5B2Pnk6YBRLg@mail.gmail.com> (Marcelo de Moraes Serpa's message of "Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:07:25 -0500")

Hello,

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm creating a web app that interacts with orgmode files and allows you to
> edit orgmode files on the browser. The edit part is not done. I'm quite good
> at Javascript, and I wouldn't mind hacking something akin to orgmode elisp
> code and this will be what I'll do if everything else fails, but wouldn't
> using a grammar be a cleaner and more elegant solution?

I didn't follow closely the thread, but I think having a formal
description of Org files is unrealistic at the moment.

Org "format" is heavily dependant on user-configurable variables deeply
installed within emacs.  Some of these variables can drastically change
the grammar of the Org file. Example:

#+begin_src org
- item 1

- item a
#+end_src

Now, if org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists is a non-nil value, any
parser should detect two lists of one item each, while keeping it to nil
will imply there is one list of two items.

Another example: (setq org-deadline-string "ZORGLUB:"). I let you
imagine what confusion it might introduce if the external tool you want
to use/implement isn't aware of this change.

Sure, it's all plain text, so Org files are accessible from outside
emacs. But, for now, only the plain-text structure is accessible from
the wild, not the Org one.

I can see three options here:

  - We remove every configurability concerning Org structure: we enforce
    DEADLINE to stay DEADLINE, lists items to be separated by a blank
    line, etc. But this isn't serious, is it?

  - We consider that Org "format" is a package containing the body _and_
    every configuration variable. But it isn't plain-text nor a format
    anymore.

  - We implement an intermediary real format (maybe in plain text, but
    I'd favor a nested-lists construct) that would serve as the common
    denominator for every exporter _and_ importer out there. I already
    suggested something like this in a recent thread about
    exporters. Obviously, I think this one is the only viable (and,
    icing on the cake, this would also be very useful for Org
    development).

Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-07-18 11:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-15  7:58 Formal description of Org files Carsten Dominik
2011-04-15  8:54 ` Rainer Stengele
2011-04-15 10:57   ` Carsten Dominik
2011-04-15 11:50     ` Peter Frings
2011-04-15 12:05       ` Carsten Dominik
2011-04-15 15:25         ` Jambunathan K
2011-04-20 11:57           ` Olaf.Hamann
2011-04-15 12:58 ` Christian Egli
2011-04-15 13:42   ` Peter Frings
2011-04-15 13:52     ` Filippo A. Salustri
2011-04-15 14:20 ` Wes Hardaker
2011-04-15 17:29   ` Eric Schulte
2011-04-15 18:31     ` Nick Dokos
2011-04-20 12:37       ` Olivier Schwander
2011-07-15 18:07         ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2011-07-16 16:56           ` Bastien
2011-07-16 17:09             ` Nick Dokos
2011-07-16 17:12               ` Bastien
2011-07-16 18:00               ` Searching the org list (was: Formal description of Org files) Memnon Anon
2011-07-16 18:21               ` Formal description of Org files suvayu ali
2011-07-16 18:43                 ` Nick Dokos
2011-07-17 23:14             ` Eric Schulte
2011-07-18  9:30               ` Christopher Witte
2011-07-18 23:32               ` Bastien
2011-07-18 21:02             ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2011-07-18 21:03               ` Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
2011-07-18 11:04           ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2011-07-18 23:35             ` Bastien
2011-07-19  6:16             ` Jambunathan K
2011-07-24 18:58               ` Bastien
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-04-15 17:13 Rustom Mody
2011-04-15 17:27 ` MidLifeXis at PerlMonks
2014-09-21 12:10 Gustav Wikström
2014-09-21 12:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-02  8:28   ` Samuel Loury
2014-10-02 17:03     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-04 19:49   ` Gustav Wikström
2014-09-26  8:12 ` Eric S Fraga
2014-09-26 12:53   ` Grant Rettke
2014-09-26 20:51     ` Eric S Fraga
2014-10-04 19:41   ` Gustav Wikström
2014-10-06 14:22     ` Samuel Loury

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