From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: tftorrey@tftorrey.com (T.F. Torrey) Subject: Re: Bleeding edge in elpa Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 01:13:34 -0700 Message-ID: <87vbiatwpd.fsf@jack.tftorrey.com> References: <87r3szp7g2.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48098) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUspL-0002J5-J9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 04:14:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUspH-0003E9-1v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 04:14:15 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:c:538::195]:50421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUspG-0003E5-ST for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2015 04:14:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r3szp7g2.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (message from Achim Gratz on Sun, 08 Mar 2015 21:20:29 +0100) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hello again, Achim Gratz writes: > Rasmus writes: >> I agree. I have the same problem when I build documents (via CI) on a >> remote Debian server where I don't want to mess around with anything more >> than what comes with Emacs by default. > > You can use a tarball and the support for manual builds, described in: > http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-build-system.html#sec-7 I think there is even an existing way to automate the whole process, isn't there? Org is awesome. But still, we were looking for an ELPA solution, not just a different workaround. >> I understand that in Emacs 25 Org, Company, Gnus, CEDET and maybe a couple >> of other packages will move to GNU ELPA and thus separate release channels >> (these packages will still be bundled with Emacs). This means we can push >> out new versions easily, making more frequent releases more >> attractive. > > None of this is going to lift one core limitation of package manager: > "there can be only one". It doesn't support packages that subsume other > packages, so "org-whatever" is totally different from "org" and would be > installed together when referenced by dependencies even though it makes > no sense. I wrote in my other e-mail that the limit is one per archive, but I don't think that's technically true. I think you can actually have as many as you want, even from the same archive, but only the one with the newest date (actually, greatest file name) will be installed. So, to make all the packages that depend on Org use the unstable version rather than the stable version, add-to-list 'package-archives the unstable archive rather than the stable archive. And if you want to keep have both the GNU archive and the Orgmode.org archive in your package-archives, and you want to have the unstable version from Orgmode.org installed instead of the stable version from the GNU archive, no problem: The one in the GNU archive has an older date because the unstable one on the Orgmode.org server gets updates every day, and thus the package manager will select that one to install. IIUC, Terry -- T.F. Torrey