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From: stardiviner <numbchild@gmail.com>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>, Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Feature] add a new org-attach dispatcher command to offline save web page
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:06:24 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v9kfsden.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875zcgugq2.fsf@localhost>

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Thanks, Ihor, your explanation is helpful a lot!!!

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:

>> My uneasiness has more to do with the specificity of the dependence on
>> monolith and the way that is hard-coded into the patch. When it comes to
>> patches, I think priority should go to those that are configurable,
>> accessible, and useful for everyone as opposed to those that have
>> hard-coded work-flows or highly-specific user configurations.
>
> Agree. Though I can see a use of having monolith as one of the options
> to help people discover what kind of tools they can use. I personally
> had a hard time finding command-line cli like monolith. Actually, it is
> the first time I heard about some offline tool handling js without a
> need to write python or ruby code. 
>
>> The question is: which functionality? A simple downloading tool or a
>> full archival tool? Achieving similar functionality to org-board or
>> monolith would a big task, since they aim to download an archival
>> version of a webpage (including all resources). 
>
> My view on this is bare-bones download, in a spirit of org-attach
> itself. There is already 'url method in org-attach-attach, but it is
> hard-coded to url-retrieve-synchronously. It would be handy if user
> could configure alternative retrievers (like monolith, wget, curl, or
> some user-defined function).
>
> Note that monolith does not crawl the website. It only collects
> everything needed to show the page as you see it in browser into single
> html file. This behaviour is what one expects to obtain when saving a
> full web-page from browser.
>
>> In addition, with
>> archiving you also quickly run into the complexity of versioning based
>> on time archived. 
>
> I guess that org-attach-git can be used for versioning, but I don't
> think that versioning is within scope of this patch. Monolith does not
> even support versioning.
>
>> There's also the challenge of mapping the downloaded
>> files to metadata (specifically the original url). Org-board currently
>> handles both of these very well.
>
> org-board is a great package, but it is not built-in. I do not think
> that all the org-board functionality needs to be included into
> org-attach. At least not within scope of this patch as I understand it.
>
> Best,
> Ihor
>
> Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
>
>> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> It does not mean that attaching URL directly is not worth including
>>> into org. This sounds pretty common use case, especially considering
>>> the number of packages providing similar feature. You mentioned
>>> org-board, but there is also org-download and org-web-tools.
>>
>> My uneasiness has more to do with the specificity of the dependence on
>> monolith and the way that is hard-coded into the patch. When it comes to
>> patches, I think priority should go to those that are configurable,
>> accessible, and useful for everyone as opposed to those that have
>> hard-coded work-flows or highly-specific user configurations.
>>
>>> I agree that monolith is completely uncommon tool and I would not expect
>>> the majority of users to have it installed, but the same functionality
>>> utilising built-in url.el (as a default) should be acceptable.
>>
>> The question is: which functionality? A simple downloading tool or a
>> full archival tool? Achieving similar functionality to org-board or
>> monolith would a big task, since they aim to download an archival
>> version of a webpage (including all resources). In addition, with
>> archiving you also quickly run into the complexity of versioning based
>> on time archived. There's also the challenge of mapping the downloaded
>> files to metadata (specifically the original url). Org-board currently
>> handles both of these very well.
>>
>> I suppose there would be a few options depending on what the aims are:
>>
>> 1. At the simple end, include little more than than a quick and dirty
>>    way of downloading a single resource (html, pdf, jpeg) using url.el
>>    or wget (or optionally, monolith) and putting that in the attachment
>>    folder. Those who want full archiving of all resources could use
>>    other tools like org-board or org-web-tools.
>>
>> 2. At the (much) more complex end, it would be to code out a robust
>>    archiving solution on top of url.el or wget.
>>
>> 3. Another, possibly simpler option... Add a command to the dispatcher
>>    that allows the user to invoke a custom function that is called with
>>    the attachment directory as the default-directory. This would enable
>>    more end-user flexibility, such as the ability to use
>>    wkhtmtoimage/wkhtmltopdf, monolith, phantom.js, archive.is, etc.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Matt


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-29  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-27  9:55 stardiviner
2020-05-28  2:55 ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-28  5:49   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28  6:39     ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 14:03       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 16:00         ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 18:16           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 16:19     ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-28 17:11       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28 22:15         ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-29  2:15           ` stardiviner
2020-05-29  2:06         ` stardiviner [this message]
2020-05-29  2:03       ` stardiviner
2020-05-29  2:17         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-29  6:16           ` stardiviner
2020-05-29 15:33           ` Matthew Lundin
2020-05-29 16:32             ` stardiviner
2020-05-30  6:09             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-28  6:37   ` stardiviner
2020-05-28  6:40   ` stardiviner
2020-05-28 22:24 ` Samuel Wales
2020-05-29  2:23 ` [PATCH updated] " stardiviner
2020-05-29  2:27 ` stardiviner
2020-06-02 12:20   ` Bastien
2020-06-02 14:06     ` stardiviner
2020-06-02 14:26       ` Bastien
2020-06-02 14:40         ` stardiviner
2020-06-03 15:10           ` Bastien
2020-06-03 23:34             ` stardiviner

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