From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id CF0uOjkc6l+0KgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:56:09 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id SIsFNjkc6l9nfgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:56:09 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD1694042C for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:52948 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktwkZ-0004K0-SH for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:56:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktwjC-0004HR-1F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:54:42 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:47513) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ktwj9-0004Fe-KW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:54:41 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB036240100 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 18:54:36 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1609178076; bh=g1pMGW5GW4661ToKmMYvGiJhpxjZe2cL5KQuiXeU21Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=ewE8KoiUi/55ePmzCQCBuFXxzFCER7EIsAaduB65ePUEBfEk4NF9VeWDxFXn02VzL 0UEplWCHe3+0C7URKrt84/hYJiy5V8bYZ0IlpQPAbZW/GLiqGaHlyDUrBm+Dv3IzPu qPIFIHzLJaAjzXcJUFlvXwm+wA+hkDVspHYTxq18SbQBSU5wL27e8vzIfqbGEqSN0w GlujQoYAKmWLlTqRh5ye3YGO5pOsUy3Uro6QIkNuPLut/KQWvFqowged4hDdPXENCk OjvgEDAG3fQdUVwc+I+dwFEhIBFXl8sXnauIyo+9e0zDR1Q+I8f2WtUVbraASqw0w5 GMBX4canLErxQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4D4QDD0nTsz6tmL; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 18:54:35 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Jonathan McHugh Subject: Re: Org to ConTeXt exporter? References: <87tus6oxsg.fsf@posteo.net> <874kk6ynt1.fsf@mbork.pl> <87o8ieos9c.fsf@posteo.net> <87sg7pud3e.fsf@libre.brussels> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 18:54:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87sg7pud3e.fsf@libre.brussels> (Jonathan McHugh's message of "Mon, 28 Dec 2020 17:09:25 +0100") Message-ID: <87v9clolyd.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.02 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=ewE8KoiU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4AD1694042C X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: wfvJxAVi8Ayv Hello, Jonathan, Jonathan McHugh writes: > I have wondered about the interoperability between Context and Latex. > > As somebody who (previously) invested a lot of time into Latex, my migration to > Context (due to its emphasis on Lua) grew problematic once other commitments > grew. What I like about ConTeXt is its (let's say) avant-garde vocation. But for my everyday work I prefer LaTeX: more extensible, more versatile, even more documented. But we must accept that ConTeXt is also an advanced typographic laboratory where many functionalities also end up in LaTeX over time. In fact, as far as I know, the future LaTeX3 adopts some ideas from ConTeXt. On Lua, LuaLaTeX also has good support. And many new LaTeX packages are already getting very good use of LuaTeX features. > The lack of Context support in Org-Mode has made me consider reverting > back to Latex. I know some advanced ConTeXt users (I am not) who are very interested in migrating to Org Mode. In that aspect, I think a native exporter to ConTeXt would be of great help. Generally speaking, I think Org is the perfect interface to use TeX and friends. One of the things I like the most about Org Mode is that it allows working in (La)TeX at a very high level. Of course, for advanced use, the more you know about LaTeX and TeX, the better. For example, if I work on a large book, I usually write the entire configuration (the preamble, my macros, my LaTeX code, etc.) to an Org file, and then I generate a Preamble.tex file using tangle. I have a master file and several subdocuments for the parts and sections of the book. And I make heavy use of Org Publish. But in all that workflow, LaTeX is always in the background. It is mainly a matter of comfort: I love TeX and its derivatives, its power and its typographic refinement, but its language is very verbose and the sources are difficult to debug. Org mode is much more human readable. And even much more readable and comfortable than Markdown. > If I had a lot of time it would be wonderful to develop parsing > expression grammars to capture it all, irrespective of direction ... mmm time.... Yes, time is the problem: I think TODO lists were invented to have a foot of mud in the future :-) Regards, Juan Manuel