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I'm not convinved that users who don't know > about `C-h m' will think of hitting `h' or another key. I might be > wrong, so if beginners suggest they expect such a key and were amazed > at how useful C-h m was for them when reading this thread, I might > change my mind. I can distinctly recall hitting "?" in Org agenda when I was getting started, after getting used to Magit. I actually think Org would benefit from using transient (which has recently been merged into Emacs), and it could reduce the maintenance burden, but I suppose that's not possible with our minimum version at Emacs 24... -- Timothy