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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Amin Bandali Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620036805; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=nZ75pSxzX7rOrEymf/iQvrjdJpkS2NqBgfm4hk1RCjE=; b=DOTsgG9J+Y+1lo1EI4oGVDx8K4yVXzdEUs8DtgbNXxdgElkrpgUJSolBxUO1iyvDTzAoWO BlgsMvepaH/U6RiVYri9NSU95dJ+vhTdseAiY0uvTV/6zcyp3jYwtMeN3hh5L7KXtpS3yg o2Xgu+tdl4Usfgwo2PUmK65bYJtmni2MSMQbTH/oB9QOgQMJtVaehds9d/kJBBRqfFbG13 2qwDE42yX/VFKS+8QI08Vx5qctDxW2AK+FgmeomcEqHDYndp8D2djocu+X79qEPXVtpx2F XyuEm3MEksfvEgxUcgvtIRBih4zDckOfhGupJPY2wP61sVgiHIxXHMICb0VNYw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620036805; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=g2HGslkHwu8SfXr4+Kh91/70sxCCUxDW8Kw9AgpLjz7DgzKhT9YGcAfAPysObA6kWy8uyZ RL751efhTRonBRjae6EZm9eGayzjN3TZWcfGQlbDqSUH8gj+zz4m1BiwzySt906ut0tKxv JEeWx2hJWdMaSL135aldKGqJhttGPHHGPkThQFCci4dno+QYbJZtqP3cpz4ITc52XTL2bK 8pBeHFUKgQNt21F9v9dNfnXl3M+iR4PpXck/YkdVgtJpKoJMSzwWvYTE7RIYnncIoa0ONk 3qhJu1XtIqDRw+XU4kMecc8oS/L9O/Rm79/kHWyC+OvWKOQsvA/KIbpPqTYLGA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=sDOjRJ+T; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.26 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=sDOjRJ+T; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: EEFE320C28 X-Spam-Score: -3.26 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 1nNjvBdZKF8y --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amin Bandali writes: > Bastien writes: > >> Various discussions convinced me that `org-adapt-indentation' should >> be nil by default. >> >> With `electric-indent-mode' being activated by default in Emacs, the >> current behavior is that RET after a headline moves the point below >> the beginning of this headline, not the beginning of the line, which >> might surprise users. >> >> Indentation is quite sensitive: what do you think of setting a new >> default value of nil for `org-adapt-indentation' in Org 9.5? > > +1 from me as well. I personally quite dislike indenting after headings > with spaces, and instead use (add-hook 'org-mode-hook #'org-indent-mode) > for the visual indentation effect, which I can easily toggle off when > needed. What=E2=80=99s important for me is that hitting enter on a headline does not create indentation for the text. I=E2=80=99ve been removing indentation manually ever since that change, and= I cannot just configure it out, because I often open org-files with emacs =2DQ or on different systems. Therefore this default matters a lot for me. With the current default I would have to change the default in every emacs session on every docker or VM, and I would have to tell every new org-user to start by changing the default just to be able to write conveniently. I made a point of slimming down my Emacs config, because I often sit at a pristine emacs, and it is important for me that org-mode just works. Before electric-indent-mode got enabled, it was one of the huge strengths of org-mode that it just worked for most use-cases while enabling everyone to customize it incrementally. And I vote to get that back. 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