From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id AcArDAZdG2F7RgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:53:58 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id qMxWBwZdG2EZdgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 06:53:58 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EBDD229D6 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:47086 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFsyy-0006oG-Fn for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 02:53:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFsyC-0006ne-8q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 02:53:08 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:52953) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFsyA-0007MM-Bl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 02:53:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1629183182; bh=+L0ObzHYUFQt53HBJrlVHUUHLYAD7kY9sCbxgIYzW8s=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-reply-to:Date; b=ZSnuM7pyPj1R/+KzM5Te4NY6vn5aoJ1mVTmmrE7ADbIrMqVzt/rMNx8zaXKLL3uDf 4JAirXgwVe5atROQqIddD9Xw3B0If2G1kPpsL0GDvDrLI3AEdKvIUcSx+Dx9wfny5W olH/deVD6ltZOlrUG9PZEHeebNp0E7HENVT2pT1Y= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from fluss ([84.165.27.15]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MFcDF-1mL7m72Jzp-00EfaX; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:53:02 +0200 References: <874kbox5ww.fsf@gmail.com> User-agent: mu4e 1.4.15; emacs 27.2 From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" To: Tim Cross Subject: Re: Build agenda asynchronously In-reply-to: <874kbox5ww.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:52:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87v944v9ys.fsf@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wNPEMcb4ZZOM+QA9z7FQglZOl9AsRVsbi00KZQ8ZAeBfxVSvrnr yw1nnhivToZFUv1HZRifgzQM+RKlZ9ZiNsPrlRrc/ub5kj+nDVsYmVk0i2X1XiJFvVBZgRd 8ekzeAwGPzRJL6nzt7kyYsgq9co2QHT4cPZTqApDf+h4/rg7z88OPmmt+H0hom6PGTdwnQa BlCsIGL8vvMPPLrcAr2lg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ZEVtTXonUAs=:OXBRSMLwVJoQzXMo+7WtpG 8yD9WG7dwbjaiwCOKsIjodluLTTtoG6ge3USW1mmc5DuJqAflY8BaT3X5/Ljx2RA28SQXxXyj M3bzED4DtkdaEHXtEbItazGcWtGnOBLSLl78HcRwcZHoWQ8aLtmLGtNl0Dypjp/Y9kRpvMfcg TJRHSiSD/Jrxx2uoQVofCp4tgWeYgRhzWoWr888LljCBKc2LydHc3dYUlGfjkrBRmRuOlzIx2 UHir871pzcLqHGrRgxh/CP8WHnNda96uOp5qv2QXXbODnRoMMNd0SYCrIvKz1EbAyNCwdXgxw tXIFMeFYabgzh6fFZe2juFdNMvqdMBD38Vf1vSwWhIbJvf411iQXF8hCcZxauXKV5nkubFHjd EcAlZ8C4gSo0qAWURSKd2vcJAh7C38P5K8ztPpVtx4ROtxgr/LoV3QizGwpE3Mf49zyl838xQ ClJ13gwvDny8Li0e+I38EEBEhkFswS83Xrv3caupXuGk/2Pjo54HwcEKzxwWTctbGOWrbLD1X gf03l0YXON4o/KRTHQNcv6rhAAw1kEBuQEZEeNCh0M8+2zvRXkAACrk1zx3DtxYN5h82nSc9a xuE6ZJprRW1FVQAOIwrbZcEfWTCmqeD3tDj+5SNZOFsnh5mmSv3RvMTxWiMK0AFwYHJn8XYdh OEZ5nkSOdZDo0EYzHnT8fKJrwIlEQmwwRZZNesbc7L0cC0/93/c8rLOWLpWSsVJqkQKYdFql8 P1sdjAFYJ7ofXanH5bW/0k7k8bgaeIzmu6Wjw/vmgHGtXF2QsLF7GYWXTdE5ZGQ7oa6wXD2o2 26+cgBfGzPFoBUROxK5ElKnndAGnuykwNISLk+oux1C/r9dQD+kBm4/rFoRMF/xjq0ZKHncj/ FsUe29Z2HePNXKO6fWnQ/EO+yBiFVkOfTnzy0Ew1Y+3MrHf7D180p7m5JZqTnqKTCyBA+bXnQ iU8LOULQfRRu4tFPH3iL+I+JCWynyvxwNT9QLDj2KZFMZSIiany0Kegh6bmn632LVKiZI/wTg 5XkZalfDF7eIzpFAtQcJ4JpmHycYKvXE8kzyyo7t/rLrdTLlYIov8cnX8fiSVUcFZXBFke3B+ gpzt/UCgt7zJhRJVE+MQ8mUSO15U7uGI+RFw6yppYlD3JRq/B0C1nC5xQ== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.4; envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1629183238; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=+L0ObzHYUFQt53HBJrlVHUUHLYAD7kY9sCbxgIYzW8s=; b=L5fUD4nEM0R5amHGqi2bE9QEU6kBFY7wGTDP7tOc4nxcMuLeGJV4I/BmmFZS1MQivElTgf oATbCl9mtvRFKxw72wE6q4zN3gUmsk7UTgaj6Q7ozhO5Upijfj9ahZsn/201n38aFF35aN y2Pm2aMJ2kEXG3Za3Wt5u3vfq/DI0psETV6GStVtrttfsbZUWIQRlNRlfnfXqlBweLj+Pa nRnY7PzVMQhCCDTqBCArMQrRGSb9lDA4P5LANRohzUKo+wHJ2l63GZRW/rG2ZyY27MUMCq mote5wKEOZyjuq9khETHckK1DnrYPJf2FddMJTezJV+bSFt4xOgFIDOgXHKalA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1629183238; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=oHRiXs5e04Lk9mttnyw9l6i/Hos1uew2x/CPp9M55IDSoKgRmswj/DWbQ6OEefi09CPCQM Pib481ft6iA22GMDRtVgWZGalofy9M+r7HHmDNP+VyL1Eo0tU3Qw1aEoX0TAYJHLkfBxdj UtVE7caxub6HFNg3RicaBWOpydNocyZ5Tci79UbgnthW4fEjlbQ2PqTL4hJu/CUtNfgnev gkf9Y78DclUtwVCiEPnqI99XjQbrAoDq7uxZOgt5bjmLswwpdHfr2Jm8/D9RQU26trVNDS i4m35Lgg6ukEOWNw1nKLEp6mVnv6vg4vpbouFErhq8fUv0Dv490nd9h5hWbh/w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=ZSnuM7py; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=dbaedf251592 header.b=ZSnuM7py; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8EBDD229D6 X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: tfgh3gxYE6Pm --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim Cross writes: > Emacs' support for asynchronous operations is at best primitive. There > is built-in support for calling processes asynchonously and > there is some other development work to set the stage for adding threads, > but I think general asynchronous processing inside Emacs is a long way > off. A lot of how Emacs lisp works fundamentally lacks the low level > control structures necessary to make data structures and operations on > those structures thread safe. This means you have to work at a very low > level in order to ensure code is thread safe and that simply isn't > practical. Even defining the basic model for an asynchronous emacs lisp > is non-trivial and once you have the model, you ahve to implement it. Maybe it could be possible to fire up a second Emacs and retrieve the agenda-buffer? 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