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From: "Colin Baxter 😺" <m43cap@yandex.com>
To: Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@uni-tuebingen.de>
Cc: , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:45:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v90cpcdx.fsf@yandex.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf18fue9.fsf@aquinas.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> (Richard Lawrence's message of "Sun, 28 Nov 2021 11:26:38 +0100")

>>>>> Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@uni-tuebingen.de> writes:

    > Hi Org community, Some questions for those of you on Emacs 27 and
    > 28:

    > Does M-j in an org-mode buffer do what you expect?  Does it throw
    > an error?  What function is M-j bound to in Org?

    > Backstory:

    > I have long been on Emacs 26.3 (in Debian stable) but recently
    > decided to try a newer Emacs from GNU Guix. I immediately ran into
    > an issue, and now I'm trying to figure out if it's a bug, and if
    > so where to file it: in both Emacs 27.2 and 28.0.50, typing M-j in
    > an Org buffer throws (wrong-type-argument char-or-string-p nil)

    > The source of this problem appears to be that the keybinding for
    > M-j changed between Emacs 26 and 27. In Emacs 26 it calls
    > indent-new-comment-line. In Emacs 27 and 28 it calls
    > default-indent-new-line, and the call stack look like:

    >   insert-before-markers-and-inherit(nil)
    > org-comment-line-break-function(nil) default-indent-new-line()
    > funcall-interactively(default-indent-new-line)
    > call-interactively(default-indent-new-line nil nil)
    > command-execute(default-indent-new-line)

    > The error arises because insert-before-markers-and-inherit cannot
    > accept nil (the value of fill-prefix in this context).

    > I see this error in emacs -q with both Emacs 27 and 28 from Guix.

    > After some investigation, the functions involved here don't appear
    > to have changed at all recently (though see [1]); just the
    > binding. This leads me to ask: why hasn't this been discovered
    > already? Which leads me to wonder if I am using M-j in some
    > non-standard way.

    > Some time in the distant past, I internalized the idea that M-j is
    > a better way to type a newline because (a) it doesn't involve a
    > pinky reach and (b) in most contexts in Emacs, it is more likely
    > to "do what I mean" than RET is. In particular, it continues
    > comments and indents properly. (I am also an evil-mode user and
    > there is probably some part of my brain that thinks "M-j is like j
    > for insert mode".) But maybe that was always wrong, and the
    > recently changed binding is just an indication that I was not
    > using M-j as intended.

    > So which is it? Is this a bug in Emacs, in Org, or in my ingrained
    > typing habits? Many thanks for your advice.

    > -- Best, Richard

    > [1] There is a commit which changed default-indent-new-line in
    > August of this year, but the changes don't seem relevant to the
    > error I'm seeing, since I also see it in Emacs 27.2:

    > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=b41f31d2b60269bd0e7addd1081f3738f91e76bc

I confirm that it also appears broken to me in emacs-27.2, with the same
error as you found. I have never noticed it before, possibly because I
use C-j rather than M-j.

Best wishes,


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-28 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-28 10:26 Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28? Richard Lawrence
2021-11-28 14:37 ` Greg Minshall
2021-11-28 14:45 ` Colin Baxter 😺 [this message]
2021-11-28 20:17   ` Richard Lawrence
2021-11-29  1:18     ` Tim Cross
2021-11-29  8:09       ` Richard Lawrence
2021-11-29 13:35         ` Tim Cross
2021-11-29 15:49           ` Richard Lawrence
2021-11-29 14:31         ` Colin Baxter 😺
2021-11-30  1:10         ` Tim Cross
2021-11-30 17:03           ` [PATCH] Fix org-comment-line-break-function (was: Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28?) Richard Lawrence
2021-11-30 20:18             ` [PATCH] Fix org-comment-line-break-function Marco Wahl
2021-11-30 22:06               ` Tim Cross
2021-12-01  8:36                 ` Marco Wahl
2021-11-30 22:08               ` Kaushal Modi
2021-11-30 23:15                 ` Tim Cross
2021-11-30 23:53                   ` Kaushal Modi
2021-12-01  1:44                   ` Kaushal Modi
2021-12-01  6:17                     ` Tim Cross
2021-12-01  8:16                       ` Richard Lawrence
2021-12-01 13:02                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-04 22:23                     ` Tim Cross
2021-12-05  3:36                       ` Kaushal Modi
2021-12-05  9:14                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-06 13:17                         ` Richard Lawrence
2021-12-06 13:51                           ` Kaushal Modi
2021-12-11 15:47                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2022-09-29  5:11                             ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                               ` <871qro5e4w.fsf@aquinas.mail-host-address-is-not-set>
2022-10-04 11:55                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-11-30 17:16           ` Is M-j broken for you in Org on Emacs 27 and 28? Morgan Willcock
2021-11-29  8:22       ` Richard Lawrence

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