* How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? @ 2014-11-24 15:53 Marcin Borkowski 2014-11-24 18:38 ` Rasmus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2014-11-24 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Org-Mode mailing list Hello, I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? TIA, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2014-11-24 15:53 How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? Marcin Borkowski @ 2014-11-24 18:38 ` Rasmus 2014-11-29 21:53 ` Marcin Borkowski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Rasmus @ 2014-11-24 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > Hello, > > I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to > correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? > Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). Cheers, Rasmus -- ⠠⠵ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2014-11-24 18:38 ` Rasmus @ 2014-11-29 21:53 ` Marcin Borkowski 2014-11-29 21:58 ` Marcin Borkowski 2014-11-30 0:50 ` Rasmus 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2014-11-29 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On 2014-11-24, at 19:38, Rasmus wrote: > Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to >> correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? >> Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? > > That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you > want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). Houston, we've got a problem. What about =M-,=? Somehow it seems not to be interpreted in the right way: it does not get fontified correctly, nor does export in the right way. What can I do about it? I found about org-emphasis-regexp-components, is it the only way? Also, how do I reload Org without restarting Emacs? (I am an Emacs geek and I try to beat my record of emacs-uptime, you know. ;-) ) > Cheers, > Rasmus Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2014-11-29 21:53 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2014-11-29 21:58 ` Marcin Borkowski 2015-03-19 21:48 ` Marcin Borkowski 2014-11-30 0:50 ` Rasmus 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2014-11-29 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On 2014-11-29, at 22:53, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > On 2014-11-24, at 19:38, Rasmus wrote: > >> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to >>> correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? >>> Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? >> >> That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you >> want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). > > Houston, we've got a problem. What about =M-,=? Somehow it seems not > to be interpreted in the right way: it does not get fontified correctly, > nor does export in the right way. What can I do about it? I found > about org-emphasis-regexp-components, is it the only way? Also, how do > I reload Org without restarting Emacs? (I am an Emacs geek and I try to > beat my record of emacs-uptime, you know. ;-) ) Wow, I got an idea, and it worked. Here's an excerpt from `C-u C-x =' at my solution;-): position: 11859 of 16051 (74%), column: 253 character: (displayed as ) (codepoint 8205, #o20015, #x200d) preferred charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646)) code point in charset: 0x200D syntax: . which means: punctuation to input: type "C-x 8 RET HEX-CODEPOINT" or "C-x 8 RET NAME" buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D file code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) display: by this font (glyph code) xft:-unknown-Phetsarath OT-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x120) Character code properties: customize what to show name: ZERO WIDTH JOINER A bit ugly trick, but works. What are the opinions? Regards, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2014-11-29 21:58 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-03-19 21:48 ` Marcin Borkowski 2015-03-20 9:04 ` Sebastien Vauban 2015-03-20 9:17 ` Randomcoder 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-03-19 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi there, it seems that reviving old threads is my new hobby;-). On 2014-11-29, at 22:58, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> wrote: > On 2014-11-29, at 22:53, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> On 2014-11-24, at 19:38, Rasmus wrote: >> >>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to >>>> correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? >>>> Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? >>> >>> That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you >>> want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). This might seem a good idea, but how do I do it? (See below for a concrete problem statement.) >> Houston, we've got a problem. What about =M-,=? Somehow it seems not >> to be interpreted in the right way: it does not get fontified correctly, >> nor does export in the right way. What can I do about it? I found >> about org-emphasis-regexp-components, is it the only way? Also, how do >> I reload Org without restarting Emacs? (I am an Emacs geek and I try to >> beat my record of emacs-uptime, you know. ;-) ) > > Wow, I got an idea, and it worked. Here's an excerpt from `C-u C-x =' > at my solution;-): > > position: 11859 of 16051 (74%), column: 253 > character: (displayed as ) (codepoint 8205, #o20015, #x200d) > preferred charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646)) > code point in charset: 0x200D > syntax: . which means: punctuation > to input: type "C-x 8 RET HEX-CODEPOINT" or "C-x 8 RET NAME" > buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D > file code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) > display: by this font (glyph code) > xft:-unknown-Phetsarath OT-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x120) > > Character code properties: customize what to show > name: ZERO WIDTH JOINER > > A bit ugly trick, but works. What are the opinions? After a while I have to say that my opinion is strongly negative: this breaks LaTeX export. (LaTeX doesn’t like some unicode characters, it turns out.) Also, this was really an ugly hack... So, here is my problem: how to represent a key like M-, or e.g. a sequence \, (important in regexps) as “code” or “verbatim stuff” in org-mode? Neither =\,= nor ~\,~ work, of course. Also, I’d like this to be backend-agnostic, so \texttt{M-,} doesn’t really work. What is the rationale behind forbidding the comma as the “border” character in org-emphasis-regexp-components? Should I change this variable in my setup or is there a more general way to convince Org that I really want verbatim/code snippets like =\,=? Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2015-03-19 21:48 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2015-03-20 9:04 ` Sebastien Vauban 2015-03-20 9:17 ` Randomcoder 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2015-03-20 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Hi there, > > it seems that reviving old threads is my new hobby;-). > > On 2014-11-29, at 22:58, Marcin Borkowski <mbork-12VZH/wba7B4rM3dGMyr8Q@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> On 2014-11-29, at 22:53, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> >>> On 2014-11-24, at 19:38, Rasmus wrote: >>> >>>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork-12VZH/wba7B4rM3dGMyr8Q@public.gmane.org> writes: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to >>>>> correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? >>>>> Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? >>>> >>>> That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you >>>> want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). > > This might seem a good idea, but how do I do it? (See below for > a concrete problem statement.) > >>> Houston, we've got a problem. What about =M-,=? Somehow it seems not >>> to be interpreted in the right way: it does not get fontified correctly, >>> nor does export in the right way. What can I do about it? I found >>> about org-emphasis-regexp-components, is it the only way? Also, how do >>> I reload Org without restarting Emacs? (I am an Emacs geek and I try to >>> beat my record of emacs-uptime, you know. ;-) ) >> >> Wow, I got an idea, and it worked. Here's an excerpt from `C-u C-x =' >> at my solution;-): >> >> position: 11859 of 16051 (74%), column: 253 >> character: (displayed as ) (codepoint 8205, #o20015, #x200d) >> preferred charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646)) >> code point in charset: 0x200D >> syntax: . which means: punctuation >> to input: type "C-x 8 RET HEX-CODEPOINT" or "C-x 8 RET NAME" >> buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D >> file code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) >> display: by this font (glyph code) >> xft:-unknown-Phetsarath OT-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x120) >> >> Character code properties: customize what to show >> name: ZERO WIDTH JOINER >> >> A bit ugly trick, but works. What are the opinions? > > After a while I have to say that my opinion is strongly negative: this > breaks LaTeX export. (LaTeX doesn’t like some unicode characters, it > turns out.) Also, this was really an ugly hack... > > So, here is my problem: how to represent a key like M-, or > e.g. a sequence \, (important in regexps) as “code” or “verbatim stuff” > in org-mode? Neither =\,= nor ~\,~ work, of course. Also, I’d like > this to be backend-agnostic, so \texttt{M-,} doesn’t really work. I'm thinking at something like this (partially untested): --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage{menukeys} #+LATEX_HEADER: \let\ORIkeys\keys #+LATEX_HEADER: \renewcommand{\keys}[1]{\ORIkeys{\texttt{#1}}} #+LATEX_HEADER: \newcommand{\repeatedkeys}[1]{\keys{\textcolor{gray}{#1}}} #+MACRO: kbd \keys{$1} --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Of course, the macro would have to be improved to work at least (in my case) in both HTML and LaTeX, by using the @@latex:...@@ construct. > What is the rationale behind forbidding the comma as the “border” > character in org-emphasis-regexp-components? Should I change this > variable in my setup or is there a more general way to convince Org that > I really want verbatim/code snippets like =\,=? I share your point about a better `org-emphasis-regexp-components' by default, which would work in 99.9% of the cases. Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2015-03-19 21:48 ` Marcin Borkowski 2015-03-20 9:04 ` Sebastien Vauban @ 2015-03-20 9:17 ` Randomcoder 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Randomcoder @ 2015-03-20 9:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Marcin, I'm going to reference a hangout of Sacha Chua and Xah Lee where they talked about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKPKWqvTImA ( you can download it with livestreamer like so livestreamer -o xlsc.mp4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKPKWqvTImA 360p ) At 26:53 Xah Lee starts explaining about how his setup related to rendering keystrokes in emacs. At 27:13 he mentions this function => xhm-htmlize-keyboard-shortcut-notation Apparently this is used to render the keystrokes. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:48:30PM +0100, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Hi there, > > it seems that reviving old threads is my new hobby;-). > > On 2014-11-29, at 22:58, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> wrote: > > > On 2014-11-29, at 22:53, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > > >> On 2014-11-24, at 19:38, Rasmus wrote: > >> > >>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > >>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to > >>>> correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? > >>>> Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? > >>> > >>> That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you > >>> want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). > > This might seem a good idea, but how do I do it? (See below for > a concrete problem statement.) > > >> Houston, we've got a problem. What about =M-,=? Somehow it seems not > >> to be interpreted in the right way: it does not get fontified correctly, > >> nor does export in the right way. What can I do about it? I found > >> about org-emphasis-regexp-components, is it the only way? Also, how do > >> I reload Org without restarting Emacs? (I am an Emacs geek and I try to > >> beat my record of emacs-uptime, you know. ;-) ) > > > > Wow, I got an idea, and it worked. Here's an excerpt from `C-u C-x =' > > at my solution;-): > > > > position: 11859 of 16051 (74%), column: 253 > > character: (displayed as ) (codepoint 8205, #o20015, #x200d) > > preferred charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646)) > > code point in charset: 0x200D > > syntax: . which means: punctuation > > to input: type "C-x 8 RET HEX-CODEPOINT" or "C-x 8 RET NAME" > > buffer code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D > > file code: #xE2 #x80 #x8D (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix) > > display: by this font (glyph code) > > xft:-unknown-Phetsarath OT-normal-normal-normal-*-17-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x120) > > > > Character code properties: customize what to show > > name: ZERO WIDTH JOINER > > > > A bit ugly trick, but works. What are the opinions? > > After a while I have to say that my opinion is strongly negative: this > breaks LaTeX export. (LaTeX doesn’t like some unicode characters, it > turns out.) Also, this was really an ugly hack... > > So, here is my problem: how to represent a key like M-, or > e.g. a sequence \, (important in regexps) as “code” or “verbatim stuff” > in org-mode? Neither =\,= nor ~\,~ work, of course. Also, I’d like > this to be backend-agnostic, so \texttt{M-,} doesn’t really work. > > What is the rationale behind forbidding the comma as the “border” > character in org-emphasis-regexp-components? Should I change this > variable in my setup or is there a more general way to convince Org that > I really want verbatim/code snippets like =\,=? > > Best, > > -- > Marcin Borkowski > http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski > Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science > Adam Mickiewicz University > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: How to represent Emacs keystrokes in Org? 2014-11-29 21:53 ` Marcin Borkowski 2014-11-29 21:58 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2014-11-30 0:50 ` Rasmus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Rasmus @ 2014-11-30 0:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: > On 2014-11-24, at 19:38, Rasmus wrote: > >> Marcin Borkowski <mbork@wmi.amu.edu.pl> writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm writing (in Org) a text on Emacs usage. How to >>> correctly/canonically represent keystrokes, like "C-x RET f"? >>> Currently, I use =C-x RET f=; are there any alternatives? >> >> That's what I'd do. Or ~C-x RET f~. You could also use a macro, if you >> want it to me be more semantic (I hope I use this word correctly). > > Houston, we've got a problem. What about =M-,=? Might be a bug. Note, =M-.=? works. > I found about org-emphasis-regexp-components, is it the only way? I wouldn't mess with it. You should define macros for extra stuff. >Also, how do > I reload Org without restarting Emacs? (I am an Emacs geek and I try to > beat my record of emacs-uptime, you know. ;-) ) M-x org-reload if new version, or M-x org-mode-restart. —Rasmus -- However beautiful the theory, you should occasionally look at the evidence ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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