From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Rasmus Subject: Re: Bleeding edge in elpa Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 21:27:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87twxv8cbe.fsf@gmx.us> References: <87ioebmvex.fsf@gmail.com> <877furuzrp.fsf@jack.tftorrey.com> <87ioeb9s9i.fsf@gmx.us> <87r3szp7g2.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUhnO-0006as-59 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:27:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUhnK-0003ep-W7 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:27:30 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47893) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YUhnK-0003ei-Ov for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:27:26 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YUhnI-0003SK-72 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 21:27:24 +0100 Received: from 102.201.133.37.dynamic.jazztel.es ([37.133.201.102]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 21:27:24 +0100 Received: from rasmus by 102.201.133.37.dynamic.jazztel.es with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2015 21:27:24 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Achim Gratz writes: > Rasmus writes: >> I agree. I have the same problem when I build documents (via CI) on a >> remote Debian server where I don't want to mess around with anything more >> than what comes with Emacs by default. > > You can use a tarball and the support for manual builds, described in: > http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-build-system.html#sec-7 I have no desire to use anything more than what comes with emacs-24-nox on this system. >> I understand that in Emacs 25 Org, Company, Gnus, CEDET and maybe a couple >> of other packages will move to GNU ELPA and thus separate release channels >> (these packages will still be bundled with Emacs). This means we can push >> out new versions easily, making more frequent releases more >> attractive. > > None of this is going to lift one core limitation of package manager: > "there can be only one". It doesn't support packages that subsume other > packages, so "org-whatever" is totally different from "org" and would be > installed together when referenced by dependencies even though it makes > no sense. I'm arguing against "org-whatever" and for less time between Org version N and (1+ N). —Rasmus -- . . . The proofs are technical in nature and provides no real understanding