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From: Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>, Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Moving "manual.org" into core
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 11:51:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tvveqi7u.fsf@bzg.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bmhooaj9.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Sat, 20 Jan 2018 15:43:54 +0100")

Hi Nicolas,

> "manual.org" was updated a month ago, and, so far, nobody complained
> about it. So, I think it's a good time to discuss about what could be
> done next.

Having the manual in .org is a great achievement, congrats to anyone
who worked on this titanic task!

I'm all for editing manual.org instead of org.texi in the long run.

Before moving manual.org into doc/, I'd suggest we agree on editing
variables like `fill-column' and the like:

fill-column: 70
org-list-description-max-indent: 5
org-edit-src-content-indentation: ?
org-src-preserve-indentation: ?

This is necessary so that contributors don't mess up accidentally with
the desired format.

Can we grow a list here:
https://bimestriel.framapad.org/p/22KTn231su

Also, why are :PROPERTIES: drawers at the beginning of the line?  I
have them aligned with the headline in my configuration, which I find
much more readable. Can we fix this?

IMO the above questions should be resolved before exposing manual.org
to collaboration.

Some other micro-reports/requests, not blocking anything:

- Line 1013: Why an orphan dash?  Because of #+vindex entries?

- Line 1077: Why indenting this list ?

- It would be nice to have #+[kvc]index with multiple entries per line.

- Line 1303 : Why "- =[fn:NAME]= ::" lives on a single line here?

- Line 21228 ("possible, including the version"): a macro spanning
  over multiple lines is not fontified.

- Footnotes: it would be nice to get an overview of a footnote when
  the pointer is hovering on some [fn:x] reference.

> The first obvious step is to move the file into "doc/" directory. Then
> I assume we could delete "org.texi" and "org.info" there and generate
> new ones from the Org file. For example, the following command, called
> from the "manual.org" file,
>
>     (let ((org-texinfo-logfiles-extensions
>            (cons "texi" org-texinfo-logfiles-extensions)))
>       (org-texinfo-export-to-info))
>
> produces an "org.info" file without an "org.texi". It thus prevents
> direct editing of "org.texi". I assume this could be called by "make
> info" target.

We still need to create org.texi for inclusion into Emacs repository.

> So basically, the idea would be to not provide anymore an "org.texi"
> file. Only "manual.org" and "org.info". Emacs developers already apply
> fixes to ORG-NEWS, which is a plain Org file, so I guess it would not
> make their life harder if "manual.org" replaces "org.texi".
>
> WDYT?

I think it's a great step forward but a big one, so let's move
carefully here.

Thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-22 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-20 14:43 [RFC] Moving "manual.org" into core Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-20 17:41 ` Achim Gratz
2018-01-20 18:15   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-20 18:36     ` Achim Gratz
2018-01-20 18:51       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-20 17:41 ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-01-22 10:51 ` Bastien Guerry [this message]
2018-01-22 13:48   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-22 15:30     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-22 16:02       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-22 17:00         ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-22 17:20           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-22 17:31             ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-22 19:52               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-23 15:19                 ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-23 16:30                   ` Julius Dittmar
2018-01-23 16:33                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-23 16:37                     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-22 16:35       ` Bastien Guerry
2018-01-22 16:53         ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-22 16:35       ` Bastien Guerry
2018-01-22 16:31     ` Bastien Guerry
2018-01-22 17:03       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-23  8:07         ` org-adapt-indentation 'content (was Re: [RFC] Moving "manual.org" into core) Christian Moe
2018-03-06 19:01           ` Bastien Guerry
2018-01-22 19:04       ` [RFC] Moving "manual.org" into core Achim Gratz
2018-03-03  9:17       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-03-03 10:18         ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-03 11:29           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-03-03 15:57             ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-03 16:15               ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2018-03-03 19:48               ` Glenn Morris
2018-03-04  9:30                 ` Bastien Guerry
2018-01-23 20:06     ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-01-22 13:54   ` Rasmus
2018-01-22 15:23     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-01-24  8:39     ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-01-24 11:28       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-26  8:52         ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-01-26 10:32           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-27  8:40             ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-01-28 15:17               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-01-29  2:40                 ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-01-29 14:41                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-02-01 11:43                     ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-02-01 12:11                       ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-02-04  9:05                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-02-01 14:55                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-02-02  2:07                         ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-02-04  9:40                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-02-06 14:11                             ` Yasushi SHOJI
2018-01-22 16:41   ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-01-23  8:08   ` Christian Moe
2018-01-23 21:00   ` Samuel Wales
2018-03-04  9:32 ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-04 10:06   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-03-04 10:29     ` Bastien
2018-03-05 14:20       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-03-05 16:23         ` Kaushal Modi
2018-03-06 17:41           ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-06 21:39             ` Achim Gratz
2018-03-05 18:08         ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-03-06  1:08           ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-06  9:57             ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-03-06 11:55               ` Eric S Fraga
2018-03-06 17:39               ` Bastien
2018-03-06 18:45                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-03-06 19:19                   ` Bastien
2018-03-07  2:53                     ` Thomas S. Dye
2018-03-05 19:01         ` Achim Gratz
2018-03-06 19:02           ` Bastien
2018-03-06 18:59         ` Bastien Guerry
     [not found]       ` <WM!6f8274ba0065f984ff76586f7cf117703ccda15adbb5042672b0d2695ee5ac6b367ee58f70aacbbc9c2b10eecb9672ea!@mailhub-mx3.ncl.ac.uk>
2018-03-05 16:22         ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-06 17:47           ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-04 10:54     ` Bastien Guerry
2018-03-05 14:26       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-03-06 17:43         ` Bastien Guerry

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