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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=default; t=1586554858; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=FZoZcKXU6ydgJLo20rG6JbdjMpbLnt/JQ3lpAT17xg4=; b=SNlGV4zTROOzd6oPazlcAorrhYYsPRpiBZSWEN3J0nYxM0mikHIbVkUWn4OXem+bVVJ/JS 2+ZW44WnuhZ+F9YAX+KZOAOAcD/gp0Y+RbX6sbhjgwhV69ZrMf+FFObH057lfU5ZdXBVZ4 kE/dIRH7f+HiQy6GqzzQQyDwUGWM3Go= ARC-Seal: i=1; s=default; d=yhetil.org; t=1586554858; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TZXJL8LB2lwWTXuKQgPArhZO8/Gn/9e4fD+2sviE+WDgyS7PXkJ/LNlq5MwsRTUiQJoV0u 2x7kGttNyMkzeKJ1F8/o9YTMMyURbENA5GEy5QeUPEVr9tOWFZiJxfg3+tDKEV9q0JN93+ CoMiON3ZoqQXbQ8RAWc97uYDZNXfrYI= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=n1cUTe J; dkim=pass header.d=kyleam.com header.s=mesmtp header.b=1JmWEX10; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.21 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=n1cUTe J; dkim=pass header.d=kyleam.com header.s=mesmtp header.b=1JmWEX10; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.21 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.58005490588289]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.30), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.58)]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pobox.com:+,kyleam.com:+]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[kyle@kyleam.com,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[pobox.com:s=sasl,kyleam.com:s=mesmtp]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kyleam.com]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCVD_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[8]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: TI3eRMAAiyOu Dmitrii Korobeinikov writes: >> That seems confusing to me as well (at least being the not-advanced >> clocker that I am). I suspect the confusion comes from the different >> perspective from which it's written. You're talking about restarting >> Emacs and clocking in again; the description is, I think, written >> assuming the context of the prompt being triggered due to idle time. In >> that scenario, hitting i/q or 'k => all' have the same effect; a new >> entry is not created. > > I am not sure I follow. Is idle time some sort of concept used by > org-clock for something more than the interface explanations? Yes, see (info "(org)Resolving idle time") Even if you don't customize org-clock-idle-time, the option mentioned in the second paragraph of that page, you can trigger that prompt manually to account for being idle by calling org-resolve-clocks (bound to 'C-c C-x C-z' by default). > Whether I restart emacs or purposefully insert (while no clocks are > running) `CLOCK: [2020-04-10 Fri 22:43]' into a logbook and do > org-clock-in, the behaviour is the same. Right. I'd say that falls into the same category as the restart. The key, as you mention, it that there is no clock running (versus a clock running with idle time to account for). > Also, 'k => all' is not an > option for me, it just asks for a number, defaulting to the elapsed > time. Perhaps it's because I am running an older version of org-mode > (9.3.6.) Sorry for the unclear shorthand. I just meant "hit k, select the default value to keep all idle time".