From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id gLQxOujT2GCbUgEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:39:20 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id ACPFNejT2GDGPgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 19:39:20 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DD352834C for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:39:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:45498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lxacg-0006fS-1q for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:39:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53954) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lxacF-0006fB-Um for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:38:51 -0400 Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:40550) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lxacC-0003qL-Gz for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 15:38:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADB1E6B61; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:38:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id usvQescAVydx; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (178235147126.dynamic-3-poz-k-0-1-0.vectranet.pl [178.235.147.126]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A033E6036; Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:38:28 +0200 (CEST) References: <9F5443B3-18D0-4912-9B2E-FE5024BE8A6F@gmail.com> <20210626191845.GC22703@tuxteam.de> <87y2awxv81.fsf@mbork.pl> <20210626201243.GD22703@tuxteam.de> User-agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 28.0.50 From: Marcin Borkowski To: tomas@tuxteam.de Subject: Re: Libre vs Open Office [was: Export Org mode files to (gag, barf) MS Office?] In-reply-to: <20210626201243.GD22703@tuxteam.de> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2021 21:38:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87tuljxfm7.fsf@mbork.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1624822760; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=CRMzeOmqifAEuc00F+WeJJ343O65pIjcQ6rsqAWgdjI=; b=LW5k4KCzm6/PWoeoIEnLt//tkJDOx9E0xX+rUa86MyKcnWOFhMVXZW7XWBAjSrBKKc3YOT /JYlumfnbY+ZkHibVtsJ5uHQ+wgM9amJiuDx58c3bG9uKP62Q/sXjAgaWP5gJwMrgzbnpt JSTIZmObhqb1Ms2F27gigG0z8RbSdlJQGwtAdjR6IXUa02ChG56bG4hXbRtY0EF9Ja9ccs s2oCaxUSv8/251B6k2XPfrJU1uN7tWYQ5Rw/wbwfEWnZLCAxU6SF0OvbZMauRXMvvZDxvW EzSp3F++8R6ksogZ+DM1dKjk11z0VNw+EuKBdaDBb07mOVWcqsTi/LtvsMIu+w== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1624822760; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=a+t1SKRtNhqnpIV/uD5dfl8N12HqzldEOXoBbr915+5ZoZgiA/Qt01qY59s7fnM0AFy5bU HtE/7RbvZ9+/AIRcOB1+Zt0g5mcBZB1nR8xGyoEySjg0YcjaGoCm/KNT/ZCe0q+WLnL4NB bkJv6Se4DKrh6iXYAiIVF9lmJNLiYrlhyQS7lB0d2xJVpB6Z23L6NSTKXooycnc3MWPQdG lQ05o8Nfhywg3dJ+2j8IsLlHkKagBe1/fxUKm3jhUX605TTxpyLWwHKLnGoXthrOTAM/Tn k85ko6BD2QF0WCxB9KbVxD+aOJ84nd908rQ1/DGt+mnWZpjzWr1wDeuhym9cVw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.93 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 3DD352834C X-Spam-Score: -0.93 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: F8S+rdbf5W76 On 2021-06-26, at 22:12, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 09:49:02PM +0200, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>=20 >> On 2021-06-26, at 21:18, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: >>=20 >> > On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 04:27:19PM +0000, Brandon Taylor wrote: >> >> I=E2=80=99ve seen that LibreOffice can read and write to those format= s, whereas OpenOffice can only read them. Or has OpenOffice overcome that p= articular barrier? >> > >> > I think OpenOffice is practically dead. All interesting development >> > happens in LibreOffice, at least for the last ten years. Heck, it >> > was practically dead 2015. >> > >> > It is a long, sad story. Currently I wouldn't even bet on OpenOffice >> > not having unpatched critical security bugs. >>=20 >> Out of curiosity: why sad? I've been using OpenOffice many years ago >> (StarOffice earlier), now I'm using LibreOffice. Wasn't that basically >> a rename? > > The sad part, in a few words, is that OpenOffice still kept the "brand > recognition", but is basically unmaintained at this point. > > Many users (especially in Windows land, the Linus ones seem to know) are > still lured by the brand to download and use unmaintained software. > > It is as if Oracle, by donating OpenOffice to the Apache Software Foundat= ion, > wanted to sabotage free office software. But why? Sad indeed. Didn't know that. I just noticed at some point that LO was what I should use from now on to deal with those pesky (doc|xls)x? files and that was it. I also installed it on my daughter's Windoze laptop etc. I just thought there is no more OO... Thanks, mbork > > Cheers > > [1] https://pctechmag.com/2011/06/oracle-and-openoffice-the-final-insult/ > > - t --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl