From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id WDYgLnAlrmHU/QAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 16:00:00 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id aKnYKXAlrmEqEgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 15:00:00 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D372383A0 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 15:59:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57278 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muFTA-0000tV-V1 for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 09:59:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muFST-0000tM-MV for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 09:59:13 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:42931) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muFSR-000884-PO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 09:59:13 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 881A3240106 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 15:59:09 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1638802749; bh=f4NNxb4h6TaMyaWMlp9jB6x5vEGLeJrGA/U3KBHFz20=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=gc7GZZAOSBpzkqeYLOZkpu5EOlNjNeVX1znP3Y3dpONXIzTPkXz8lMWkA5BPer4Rn 1NYm3g3IThqm4PuU2GZ/+v3tetC+vjovSvpPAGfiTNgLPHxtD4Eh7tsOfnS8y/eVki nrtf1gLNS7tQkNaWybua6J7e1+jfMFIWBl/kqASReKOM08EHWPGg366uVYYs28TGiM QRshETdTf7RVgxCBSPdYJmEEDr7lDMA+/jGnC8cHxOY7MmMj7EZxh5Str+trEEhuqW 5KHmCFRfbiah0nJLnrTyq1J1sFsNeIiWEZWdkllrVYQrelzMkM/P6SEfvx89vjtWjL 8Lq6532KAv/3g== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4J765S4mdNz6tp9; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 15:59:08 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Greg Minshall Subject: Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal References: <87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost> <87sfv75s4r.fsf@posteo.net> <87o85vbb9a.fsf@localhost> <87y24zs40r.fsf@posteo.net> <87lf0zb6fq.fsf@localhost> <87pmqasws7.fsf@posteo.net> <878rwyi8bt.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1aqnu3q.fsf@gmail.com> <8735n6i4br.fsf@posteo.net> <796107.1638785063@apollo2.minshall.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 14:59:06 +0000 In-Reply-To: <796107.1638785063@apollo2.minshall.org> (Greg Minshall's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:04:23 +0300") Message-ID: <87tufl6apx.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638802800; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=3tfrRjtr74WIrikLo5OeN79plEKKjqwlm/3UAqw453k=; b=nj1LpUuvQmeYF+rDsH32Hqm+XTo+yRZCAP13z5l4nNratx32/xlcgXkHpJBUa3a3ra0MDp 7IL6VSn5jBZ8rkBPovElcRXGmRivovwrsNbXl5qERmDXgnekzeONma4X8mSsCGt+NHH8Eu VdbtfeZPxOP0Hav5cSsehM28wwcEylYJDSMvEwNlbhmfPTF7OZM51xcxk/6wzy2Gt/cidt Gj8aolfHlcurHnFZDax5sdmpmjj+a/40L/aI9VDDiXaR8AkCOGUH1+NQSTP7AqqeWSfHnt xYpqZUcgEx+5nUvUG6VOp0Bupm4mDW7ilJIfdqz8PAsCkvY5/kw1uhADhXaOqg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638802800; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=bZHq15Si1vDheDf8oNm2b7P+V3iIna0FxsMrrgAyiFDypNBntNUldGLrzapOsymVpw2WRy yHf6jBeKTeQcF1+AvZbBVfSU5jRBIC4Hge8J7uj++MiFXATYBT2hhT3WBVXFjgbF99ahaE lPWZER8x4vuJ1OBhjmoBht99wWn926eCG5wV/pjXN8aEDB8SQEd1pShWQQ13UaSqyakTP9 8fKml72ONrKS6kwyg+nbKKN4obeu9t8CJakQv6N5JDjli3bFSV5CIt1CPatbQ/BaGKMReu csByNbSeW6RlOBA/F2hJAA4BSTL6t9SHkDFWl0Sz5FUzGz/5kICOdJMArxcv/g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=gc7GZZAO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=gc7GZZAO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7D372383A0 X-Spam-Score: -4.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: JguEox310X+q Hi Greg, Greg Minshall writes: > i hope we don't adopt such an "official policy" regarding discussions on > this list. i don't think we've had any problems where non-FSF/GNU > topics have somehow swamped our discussions. Not that I want to put on a censor hat, far from it :-). But this is still an 'official' list. It's not reddit or anything like that. I think it is necessary for the user to know what to expect here and what not to expect. And I think there is a border between offtopic and explicitly discussing extending Org beyond its natural limits or even flirting with applications and software that do not respect user freedom and are outside of GNU ethics and philosophy. And for the record, I am not talking about Ihor's specific proposals in this thread --- which, as I have already said, seems to me to be a commendable conciliatory effort, although I do not share some points--- but rather from the previous debate on the "new" name of the Org syntax, and other such things. I think things like the 'orgdown' topic, which are not productive here, should have their own place and forums outside here. Best regards, Juan Manuel