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Or what I think it is (I'm not an expert). I started with 3 files: * Tasks.org * Notes.org * Inbox.org Now, the file "Notes.org" is a folder. And inside I got a file per subject. I capture notes and tasks, with org-capture, that end in the file "Inbox.or= g". On my phone, I use Orgzly as a pocket inbox, for when I'm not in front of my computer. The files of Orgzly are sync with my PC using Syncthing. Everyday, at the end of the day, I review the inbox(s): * I do little tasks (< 3 min) * I complete the description of the other tasks and refile them (with org-refile) Everyday, at the beginning of the day, I look at the agenda (Org-agenda) to see what I need to do. If I have free time and still energy, I search for tasks to do in advance. This workflow work very well and ask few effort for managing it. But I never take the risk to use it for important project. But maybe it's an irrational fear. Maybe it would work. Based on suggestions in this mailing list, I take time to think about what define a work given by the school and what I need to do to accomplish them best. And I think of a simple "Project" workflow that can integrate with my actual workflow. I think this simple "Project" workflow will be: * Each project is a headline with the status "PROJECT" * Each project have the deadline defined by the school work deadline * Each project have a complete description with every info needed to work * Each project have one or many tasks (as sub headlines with a TODO/NEXT/DO= NE status) * Each task have an importance, time and effort estimation * Each task have its own deadline, distributed along the remaining time * When I set a task deadline, I look at its estimations and also other proj= ects tasks * To create a new project, I use Org-capture with a template Every time I create a new project, it start with one task: "Planning the project". With a deadline at 2 days max. The description of this task is a checkbox list of thing to do when planning the project. And finally, 2 times per week, I got a repetitive task: "Review the projects progress". With this, I should be able to adjust spending time and effort. I think it would be simple and need only a few Org-mode configurations. And by doing like that, every time I look at the agenda, I will see what work I need to do every days. Task of each project or review of all projects. Quiliro Ord=C3=B3=C3=B1ez writes: > Hello Seb. > > It is great that you want to use org for your planning. It is the best > tool I know of. Tim's advice sounds the best introductory one and > others even gave you advanced advice. Nevertheless, you never told us > how you use org and why it takes so much time for you. Perhaps you > could take less time to plan and more time to do, without completely > trashing the planning. Then you could increment the planning until it > proves to be more time consuming. At that point you can reduce a little > planning again. It is a tuning process. > > Happy Hacking! > > Quiliro