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Now, I failed to create a full citation in the text. This corresponds to the `\fullcite{}' command in LaTeX. Is there an option for this? In summary, it is a bit painful to use `org-cite` compared to using `org-re= f`. In my opinion, the main reasons are: =E2=80=A2 Documentation is missing for `org-cite`. =E2=80=A2 The citation commands seem to be incomplete (or at least not docu= mented). I am aware that all this is a lot of work, and I am really grateful that we= have `org-cite` and `org-ref` available! Thank you, Dominik =E2=80=9CBruce D=E2=80=99Arcus=E2=80=9D writes: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 4:24 AM Dominik Schrempf > wrote: > >> I am trying out `org-cite=E2=80=99 right now. It works much better than = the last time (I >> am using the `biblatex=E2=80=99 backend right now). However, I can not f= ind any >> documentation about the available /styles/. >> >> They are mentioned here: >> >> But no styles are provided. > > I have come to believe the best approach to handling available styles > and previews is in the style selection UI. So that one can see what > one is waiting when selecting. > > In citar, those styles and preview are currently hard-coded in a > defcustom, but I=E2=80=99d like to figure out how to do that dynamically, > using org-cite-supported-styles etc. > > In the meantime, Timothy=E2=80=99s article should help (see the table on = the styles): > > > >> For example, I need citations in the text (showing up as =E2=80=9CAuthor= (s) (Year)=E2=80=9D). >> With BibTeX, this would be `\citet{}=E2=80=99 (or `\textcite{}=E2=80=99 = with BibLaTeX). But >> there is a lot more. See: ). > > You want the =E2=80=9Ctext=E2=80=9D style; (NO_ITEM_DATA:doe20), or with = the shortcut > (/t: NO_ITEM_DATA:doe20). > > Bruce --=-=-=--