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I am unsure how > > many places like this exist > > I am not taking any side regarding the point Max brought up, but your > comment about new users surprises me. I am a long time Emacs user, > but it is the 1st time (Org mode or otherwise) that 'C-h v' with the > cursor on a variable's name fails. Reading again section 2.3, I > really don't see that I could have guessed about loading org-goto. Well. I guess my perception of "new user" is a bit biased :) In any case, whatever we write in the manual should be understandable by proper new users as well. > So if it is not the "only place", I bet it is relatively rare, and I > fear that I will have forgotten about it if the same thing happens > again to me in 3 years. There was at least one more bug report, similar to yours in the past. Also, the majority of ob-*.el files and ol-*.el files are not loaded by default. And I hope that even less files will be loaded by Org in future to address "loading time" complaints. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at