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* Workflow for attaching, linking, and saving bibtex links together with notes?
@ 2009-08-12  2:44 Alan E. Davis
  2009-08-12  4:25 ` Alan E. Davis
  2009-08-12  7:31 ` Andreas Burtzlaff
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Alan E. Davis @ 2009-08-12  2:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: org-mode


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I would like to streamline as much as possible the saving of notes, to the
point of bookmarking---ala Zotero, only leaving me free to orient it to my
system.   Here's my use case.  I'm sure many others are doing this, and I
would ask advice to short cut the system, to the fewest possible steps.

I use Google Scholar alot.  Often it's a search about an organism, and often
one I would really like to have a good system of bookmarks, pdfs, and notes,
to come back to in a couple of years.  These organisms have been objects of
either notice or study over the past 25 years.

Either Google School or some other search locates a pdf for me, often one
named something like X234r0.pdf.  I have bunches of these around (the
easiest way to peek, by the way, and look at the title inside is *NOT*
DocView mode, but pdftotext, via
txtutils.el.<http://www.mail-archive.com/gnu-emacs-sources@gnu.org/msg01129.html>)

I can attach this.  Once I get a stable, organized file/directory structure
for ~/home (something I haven't accomplished in 15 years), I will be able to
attach to a note and store the pdf as a link.  Let's say I've already done
this.

I want to save a bibtex reference to this file, in some useful way.  Right
now the best way is to use Google Scholar's bibtex facility, and cut and
paste.  I've been using cb2bib and Jabref for the task of collecting bibtex
entries.

Ideally, a separate bibtex database file would serve each topic, when I have
a large number of searches.  I can often find 20 useful hits in an hour on
some obscure topic.  I would like to save the bibtex entries for all
interesting searches (perhaps even make that 40 or more in a session), and
have them available through org-mode.  I would like the references also to
be stored in a robust manner, with links to the orgmode notes.

I tried org-exp-bibtex.el (in contrib/lisp), and perhaps I'll got back and
check again.  I didn't see at the time, when I was even newer to org-mode
than I am now, how org-exp-bibtex could work for me.

Thank you for reading this far.  Can anyone at least lend a clue?   I'd
happily bury myself in some code, non-programmer than I am, to find a way to
save even a few minutes during searches.

Alan  Davis




You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world,  but when
you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird...
So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts.

   ----Richard Feynman

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* Re: Workflow for attaching, linking, and saving bibtex links together with notes?
  2009-08-12  2:44 Workflow for attaching, linking, and saving bibtex links together with notes? Alan E. Davis
@ 2009-08-12  4:25 ` Alan E. Davis
  2009-08-12  7:31 ` Andreas Burtzlaff
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From: Alan E. Davis @ 2009-08-12  4:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: org-mode


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I wrote:


> Let's say I've already done this.


Reporting some progress on my own query: I have successfully installed the
org-remember and org-store-link JavaScripts for Acroread.  This is helpful.
Would like to do a similar thing for a free reader like ocular or evince.
Is there something else?


Alan Davis

You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world,  but when
you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird...
So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts.

   ----Richard Feynman

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* Re: Workflow for attaching, linking, and saving bibtex links together with notes?
  2009-08-12  2:44 Workflow for attaching, linking, and saving bibtex links together with notes? Alan E. Davis
  2009-08-12  4:25 ` Alan E. Davis
@ 2009-08-12  7:31 ` Andreas Burtzlaff
  2009-08-12  9:34   ` Eric S Fraga
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From: Andreas Burtzlaff @ 2009-08-12  7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan E. Davis; +Cc: org-mode


The use case is very similar to the one I'm starting to get comfortable
with, so here is my vision:

Fireforg could download the pdf , use Zotero's translators to extract
bibliography information and other metadata from a site, and send that
and the file's path to org. There, this information becomes a heading
with properties, like this:

* [[<link to pdf>][<Title>]] <General note>
  :PROPERTIES:
   :ID: <unique id>
   :CUSTOM_ID: <human readable id, possibly generated from authors and year>
   :BIB_TYPE: <article, ...> 
   :BIB_AUTHORS: ...
   :BIB_TITLE: ...
   ...
   :URL: ...
   :END:

All further notes go into that subtree.
A lisp function generates bibtex entries from these properties for headings,
optionally filtered by tag, property, occurrence of links to it in a certain file, etc.

That way, all information is inside the org file and the entry has a
unique id throughout.

In search results fireforg will mark those entries already imported to
your org files and let's you visit all notes about them.

There are some hurdles to take, though, but it's not overly complicated.
Anyone willing to join in, to make this reality?

Andreas

P.S. Didn't check whether such an idea came up before on the list.
PP.S There was a similar question in this thread:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/14756/

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* Re: Workflow for attaching, linking, and saving bibtex links together with notes?
  2009-08-12  7:31 ` Andreas Burtzlaff
@ 2009-08-12  9:34   ` Eric S Fraga
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eric S Fraga @ 2009-08-12  9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andreas Burtzlaff; +Cc: org-mode

At Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:31:56 +0200,
Andreas Burtzlaff wrote:
> 
> 
> The use case is very similar to the one I'm starting to get comfortable
> with, so here is my vision:

[...]

> 
> There are some hurdles to take, though, but it's not overly complicated.
> Anyone willing to join in, to make this reality?

I'm keen on this as well as it matches my desired workflow.  

Just yesterday, I did something similar but by hand: download PDF,
create an org heading, generate the bibtex entry (although sometimes
this is already done for me by the journal or by "web of knowledge",
depending on where the pdf comes from), and add some notes.  Anything
that would make this process more automatic would be greatly
appreciated!

I'm not sure where/how I can contribute but I'm willing to try!

eric

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