From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [patch suggestion] Mitigating the poor Emacs performance on huge org files: Do not use overlays for PROPERTY and LOGBOOK drawers
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:33:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sgfn6qpc.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sgfqu5av.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sat, 23 May 2020 21:52:40 +0800")
Hello,
Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
> I have five updates from the previous version of the patch:
Thank you.
> 1. I implemented a simplified version of element parsing to detect
> changes in folded drawers or blocks. No computationally expensive calls
> of org-element-at-point or org-element-parse-buffer are needed now.
>
> 2. The patch is now compatible with master (commit 2e96dc639). I
> reverted the earlier change in folding drawers and blocks. Now, they are
> back to using 'org-hide-block and 'org-hide-drawer. Using 'outline would
> achieve nothing when we use text properties.
>
> 3. 'invisible text property can now be nested. This is important, for
> example, when text inside drawers contains fontified links (which also
> use 'invisible text property to hide parts of the link). Now, the old
> 'invisible spec is recovered after unfolding.
Interesting. I'm running out of time, so I cannot properly inspect the
code right now. I'll try to do that before the end of the week.
> 4. Some outline-* function calls in org referred to outline-flag-region
> implementation, which is not in sync with org-flag-region in this patch.
> I have implemented their org-* versions and replaced the calls
> throughout .el files. Actually, some org-* versions were already
> implemented in org, but not used for some reason (or not mentioned in
> the manual). I have updated the relevant sections of manual. These
> changes might be relevant to org independently of this feature branch.
Yes, we certainly want to move to org-specific versions in all cases.
> 5. I have managed to get a working version of outline folding via text
> properties. However, that approach has a big downside - folding state
> cannot be different in indirect buffer when we use text properties. I
> have seen packages relying on this feature of org and I do not see any
> obvious way to achieve different folding state in indirect buffer while
> using text properties for outline folding.
Hmm. Good point. This is a serious issue to consider. Even if we don't
use text properties for outline, this also affects drawers and blocks.
> For now, I still used before/after-change-functions combination.
You shouldn't.
> I see the following problems with using only after-change-functions:
>
> 1. They are not guaranteed to be called after every single change:
Of course they are! See below.
> From (elisp) Change Hooks:
> "... some complex primitives call ‘before-change-functions’ once before
> making changes, and then call ‘after-change-functions’ zero or more
> times"
"zero" means there are no changes at all, so, `after-change-functions'
are not called, which is expected.
> The consequence of it is a possibility that region passed to the
> after-change-functions is quite big (including all the singular changes,
> even if they are distant). This region may contain changed drawers as
> well and unchanged drawers and needs to be parsed to determine which
> drawers need to be re-folded.
It seems you're getting it backwards. `before-change-functions' are the
functions being called with a possibly wide, imprecise, region to
handle:
When that happens, the arguments to ‘before-change-functions’ will
enclose a region in which the individual changes are made, but won’t
necessarily be the minimal such region
however, after-change-functions calls are always minimal:
and the arguments to each successive call of
‘after-change-functions’ will then delimit the part of text being
changed exactly.
If you stick to `after-change-functions', there will be no such thing as
you describe.
>> And, more importantly, they are not meant to be used together, i.e., you
>> cannot assume that a single call to `before-change-functions' always
>> happens before calling `after-change-functions'. This can be tricky if
>> you want to use the former to pass information to the latter.
>
> The fact that before-change-functions can be called multiple times
> before after-change-functions, is trivially solved by using buffer-local
> changes register (see org--modified-elements).
Famous last words. Been there, done that, and it failed.
Let me quote the manual:
In general, we advise to use either before- or the after-change
hooks, but not both.
So, let me insist: don't do that. If you don't agree with me, let's at
least agree with Emacs developers.
> The register is populated by before-change-functions and cleared by
> after-change-functions.
You cannot expect `after-change-functions' to clear what
`before-change-functions' did. This is likely to introduce pernicious
bugs. Sorry if it sounds like FUD, but bugs in those areas are just
horrible to squash.
>> Well, `before-change-fuctions' and `after-change-functions' are not
>> clean at all: you modify an unrelated part of the buffer, but still call
>> those to check if a drawer needs to be unfolded somewhere.
>
> 2. As you pointed, instead of global before-change-functions, we can use
> modification-hooks text property on sensitive parts of the
> drawers/blocks. This would work, but I am concerned about one annoying
> special case:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> :BLAH: <inserted outside any of the existing drawers>
>
> <some text>
>
> :DRAWER: <folded>
> Donec at pede.
> :END:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> In this example, the user would not be able to unfold the folder DRAWER
> because it will technically become a part of a new giant BLAH drawer.
> This may be especially annoying if <some text> is more than one screen
> long and there is no easy way to identify why unfolding does not work
> (with point at :DRAWER:).
You shouldn't be bothered by the case you're describing here, for
multiple reasons.
First, this issue already arises in the current implementation. No one
bothered so far: this change is very unlikely to happen. If it becomes
an issue, we could make sure that `org-reveal' handles this.
But, more importantly, we actually /want it/ as a feature. Indeed, if
DRAWER is expanded every time ":BLAH:" is inserted above, then inserting
a drawer manually would unfold /all/ drawers in the section. The user is
more likely to write first ":BLAH:" (everything is unfolded) then
":END:" than ":END:", then ":BLAH:".
> Because of this scenario, limiting before-change-functions to folded
> drawers is not sufficient. Any change in text may need to trigger
> unfolding.
after-change-functions is more appropriate than before-change-functions,
and local parsing, as explained in this thread, is more efficient than
re-inventing the parser.
> In the patch, I always register possible modifications in the
> blocks/drawers intersecting with the modified region + a drawer/block
> right next to the region.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> More details on the nested 'invisible text property implementation.
>
> The idea is to keep 'invisible property stack push and popping from it
> as we add/remove 'invisible text property. All the work is done in
> org-flag-region.
This sounds like a good idea.
> This was originally intended for folding outlines via text properties.
> Since using text properties for folding outlines is not a good idea,
> nested text properties have much less use.
AFAIU, they have. You mention link fontification, but there are other
pieces that we could switch to text properties instead of overlays,
e.g., Babel hashes, narrowed table columns…
> 3. Multiple calls to before/after-change-functions is still a problem. I
> am looking into following ways to reduce this number:
> - reduce the number of elements registered as potentially modified
> + do not add duplicates to org--modified-elements
> + do not add unfolded elements to org--modified-elements
> + register after-change-function as post-command hook and remove it
> from global after-change-functions. This way, it will be called
> twice per command only.
> - determine common region containing org--modified-elements. if change
> is happening within that region, there is no need to parse
> drawers/blocks there again.
This is over-engineering. Again, please focus on local changes, as
discussed before.
> Recipe to have different (org-element-at-point) and
> (org-element-parse-buffer 'element)
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> <point-min>
> :PROPERTIES:
> :CREATED: [2020-05-23 Sat 02:32]
> :END:
>
>
> <point-max>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't look at this situation in particular, but there are cases where
different :post-blank values are inevitable, for example at the end of
a section.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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2020-04-24 6:55 [patch suggestion] Mitigating the poor Emacs performance on huge org files: Do not use overlays for PROPERTY and LOGBOOK drawers Ihor Radchenko
2020-04-24 8:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-25 0:29 ` stardiviner
2020-04-26 16:04 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-04 16:56 ` Karl Voit
2020-05-07 7:18 ` Karl Voit
2020-05-09 15:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-07 11:04 ` Christian Heinrich
2020-05-09 15:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-08 16:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 13:58 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 16:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-09 17:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 5:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 9:47 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 13:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 14:46 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 16:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 16:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 17:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 19:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 15:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-09 16:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-09 17:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 18:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 14:59 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 15:15 ` Kyle Meyer
2020-05-10 16:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 19:32 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-12 10:03 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-17 15:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-17 15:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-18 14:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-18 16:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-19 13:07 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-23 13:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-23 13:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-23 15:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-26 8:33 ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2020-06-02 9:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 9:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 12:10 ` Bastien
2020-06-02 13:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 13:23 ` Bastien
2020-06-02 13:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 9:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-05 7:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-05 8:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-05 13:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-08 5:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-08 5:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-08 5:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-10 17:14 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-21 9:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-21 15:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-08-11 6:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-11 23:07 ` Kyle Meyer
2020-08-12 6:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-20 5:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-20 11:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-22 9:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-22 10:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-23 6:16 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-23 6:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-23 7:09 ` Bastien
2020-09-23 7:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-24 18:07 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-25 2:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-15 17:38 ` [9.4] Fixing logbook visibility during isearch Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-16 3:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-16 18:05 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-17 3:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-17 14:50 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-18 2:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-24 23:37 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-25 2:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25 10:59 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-25 12:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25 21:35 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-26 4:14 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-26 11:44 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-26 12:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-04 5:58 ` [patch suggestion] Mitigating the poor Emacs performance on huge org files: Do not use overlays for PROPERTY and LOGBOOK drawers Ihor Radchenko
2021-03-21 9:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-05-03 17:28 ` Bastien
2021-09-21 13:32 ` Timothy
2021-10-26 17:25 ` Matt Price
2021-10-27 6:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 00/35] Merge org-fold feature branch Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 01/35] Add org-fold-core: new folding engine Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 02/35] Separate folding functions from org.el into new library: org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 03/35] Separate cycling functions from org.el into new library: org-cycle Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 04/35] Remove functions from org.el that are now moved elsewhere Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 05/35] Disable native-comp in agenda Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 06/35] org-macs: New function org-find-text-property-region Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37 ` [PATCH 07/35] org-at-heading-p: Accept optional argument Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 08/35] org-string-width: Reimplement to work with new folding Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 09/35] Rename old function call to use org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 10/35] Implement link folding Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-04 6:13 ` [BUG] 67275f4 broke evil-search " Tom Gillespie
2022-05-04 6:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-28 2:17 ` Tom Gillespie
2022-05-28 2:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-28 2:42 ` Tom Gillespie
2022-05-28 3:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-28 3:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 11/35] Implement overlay- and text-property-based versions of some functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 12/35] org-fold: Handle indirect buffer visibility Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 13/35] Fix subtle differences between overlays and invisible text properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 14/35] Support extra org-fold optimisations for huge buffers Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 15/35] Alias new org-fold functions to their old shorter names Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 16/35] Obsolete old function names that are now in org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 17/35] org-compat: Work around some third-party packages using outline-* functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 18/35] Move `org-buffer-list' to org-macs.el Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 19/35] Restore old visibility behaviour of org-refile Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 20/35] Add org-fold-related tests Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 21/35] org-manual: Update to new org-fold function names Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 22/35] ORG-NEWS: Add list of changes Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 20:31 ` New folding backend & outline (was: [PATCH 22/35] ORG-NEWS: Add list of changes) Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-01-30 2:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 23/35] Backport contributed commits Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 24/35] Fix typo: delete-duplicates → delete-dups Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 25/35] Fix bug in org-get-heading Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 26/35] Rename remaining org-force-cycle-archived → org-cycle-force-archived Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 27/35] Fix org-fold--hide-drawers--overlays Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 28/35] org-string-width: Handle undefined behaviour in older Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 29/35] org-string-width: Work around `window-pixel-width' bug in old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 30/35] org-fold-show-set-visibility: Fix edge case when folded region is at BOB Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 31/35] org-fold-core: Fix fontification inside folded regions Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 32/35] test-org/string-width: Add tests for strings with prefix properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 33/35] org--string-from-props: Fix handling folds in Emacs <28 Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 34/35] org-link-make-string: Throw error when both LINK and DESCRIPTION are empty Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38 ` [PATCH 35/35] test-ol/org-toggle-link-display: Fix compatibility with old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-03 6:27 ` [PATCH 00/35] Merge org-fold feature branch Bastien
2022-02-03 7:07 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:23 ` [PATCH v2 00/38] Final call for comments: " Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:23 ` [PATCH v2 01/38] Add org-fold-core: new folding engine--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 02/38] Separate folding functions from org.el into new library: org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 03/38] Separate cycling functions from org.el into new library: org-cycle Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 04/38] Remove functions from org.el that are now moved elsewhere Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 05/38] Disable native-comp in agendaIt caused cryptic bugs in the past Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 06/38] org-macs: New function org-find-text-property-region--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24 ` [PATCH v2 07/38] org-at-heading-p: Accept optional argument* lisp/org.el (org-at-heading-p): Use second argument to allow Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 08/38] org-string-width: Reimplement to work with new folding Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 09/38] Rename old function call to use org-fold--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 10/38] Implement link folding* lisp/ol.el (org-link--link-folding-spec): Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 11/38] Implement overlay- and text-property-based versions of some functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 12/38] org-fold: Handle indirect buffer visibility--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 13/38] Fix subtle differences between overlays and invisible text properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 14/38] Support extra org-fold optimisations for huge buffers Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 15/38] Alias new org-fold functions to their old shorter names Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25 ` [PATCH v2 16/38] Obsolete old function names that are now in org-fold--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 17/38] org-compat: Work around some third-party packages using outline-* functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 18/38] Move `org-buffer-list' to org-macs.el--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 19/38] Restore old visibility behaviour of org-refile--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 20/38] Add org-fold-related tests--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 21/38] org-manual: Update to new org-fold function names--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 22/38] ORG-NEWS: Add list of changes--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 23/38] Backport contributed commits--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 24/38] Fix typo: delete-duplicates → delete-dups Anders Johansson
2022-04-20 13:26 ` [PATCH v2 25/38] Fix bug in org-get-headingFixes #26, where fontification could make the matching and extraction of heading Anders Johansson
2022-04-20 13:27 ` [PATCH v2 26/38] Rename remaining org-force-cycle-archived Anders Johansson
2022-04-20 13:27 ` [PATCH v2 27/38] Fix org-fold--hide-drawers--overlays--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:27 ` [PATCH v2 28/38] org-string-width: Handle undefined behaviour in older Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:27 ` [PATCH v2 29/38] org-string-width: Work around `window-pixel-width' bug in old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:27 ` [PATCH v2 30/38] org-fold-show-set-visibility: Fix edge case when folded region is at BOB Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 31/38] org-fold-core: Fix fontification inside folded regions Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 32/38] test-org/string-width: Add tests for strings with prefix properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 33/38] org--string-from-props: Fix handling folds in Emacs <28 Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 34/38] org-link-make-string: Throw error when both LINK and DESCRIPTION are empty Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 35/38] test-ol/org-toggle-link-display: Fix compatibility with old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 36/38] org-macs.el: Fix fontification checks take 2--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 37/38] org-fold-core-fontify-region: Fix cases when fontification is not registered Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28 ` [PATCH v2 38/38] org-agenda.el: Re-enable native compilation* lisp/org-agenda.el: Re-enable native compilation as it does not Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 14:47 ` [PATCH v2 00/38] Final call for comments: Merge org-fold feature branch Bastien
2022-04-20 15:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 16:22 ` Bastien
2022-04-21 6:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-21 6:55 ` Bastien
2022-04-21 9:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-21 9:43 ` Bastien
2022-04-22 18:54 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-04-25 11:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-25 13:02 ` Bastien
2022-04-25 13:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-25 14:05 ` Bastien
2022-04-26 11:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-25 11:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-26 6:10 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-05-03 4:44 ` [ISSUE] org-fold does not support auto-reveal for some external package commands Christopher M. Miles
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2022-05-03 6:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-03 10:19 ` [DONE] " Christopher M. Miles
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