From: "Thomas S. Dye" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: Timothy <email@example.com> Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Concerns about community contributor support Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:45:58 -1000 [thread overview] Message-ID: <email@example.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Timothy <email@example.com> writes: >> , but Org mode development is >> in a new phase that *requires* technique and is quicker to >> identify and filter >> out noise. > > Hmmm, what constitutes noise? > Good question. I suppose like most words the meaning changes over time. Early on, posts along the lines of "Wouldn't it be cool if Org mode would do this?" were given more space than they seem to be today. Tim Cross points out a project trajectory that appears to be common and would explain why. At a more concrete level, I can offer several of my posts to the list :) >> These changes mean that contributions need to be checked for >> contributions to >> Nicolas' project and also fit into the history of discussion >> and development. >> The Org mode project now resembles a scholarly discipline that >> moves slowly and >> deliberately toward a more or less well defined goal. The days >> when Carsten >> would bang out a new feature during his train ride home from >> work are gone. > > I think here there may have been a minor misunderstanding > /miscommunication. Reading this paragraph I get the sense you > read my > email as complaining about a delay in merging patches, however > this is a > separate ---if related--- point to what I intended to raise: the > lack of /response/ to patches. > > 1. Were I talking about merging: a more considered development > model, as > you describe above, can certainly see a protracted merge > delay. > However, 6 months for a minor feature addition , and 2 > months for > a minor bug fix  is not justified by a more considered > development > model IMO. > 2. (My main point) Even if development is slower, leaving a > first-time > contributor with /absolutely no response/, i.e. *zero* > replies to > their email *months* after they sent it (see  and  for > example, > and updates.orgmode.org for more) is not good enough IMO. We > should > be better. > So, something in between merging (or not) and appearing on the public list that Bastien keeps? > Once again, with reference to my earlier paragraph, IMO slowed > development is one thing, not responding at all to attempted > contributors for months on end another. It is the latter which I > seek to > improve. I can, have, and will try to help with this myself; but > I think > we would benefit from a "community effort" and a discussion on > what the > best way to improve this is. > What do you think of Tim Cross' suggestion that a way forward is for "new features and enhancements to be initially implemented as add on contribution packages rather than as extensions/enhancement to the core 'org-mode' package"? This sounds good to me, but I'm not much of a programmer and lack the ability to suss out its ramifications fully. I can see how it would ease Org mode maintenance, though. All the best, Tom -- Thomas S. Dye https://tsdye.online/tsdye
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-18 18:47 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2021-04-16 18:43 Timothy 2021-04-17 23:29 ` Thomas S. Dye 2021-04-18 1:56 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-18 19:39 ` Timothy 2021-04-18 22:45 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-19 21:43 ` David Masterson 2021-04-19 22:21 ` Gustav Wikström 2021-04-23 0:16 ` David Masterson 2021-04-19 23:46 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-20 8:21 ` Tom Gillespie 2021-04-23 0:34 ` David Masterson 2021-04-20 9:28 ` Jean Louis 2021-04-23 0:38 ` David Masterson 2021-04-18 5:04 ` Timothy 2021-04-18 18:45 ` Thomas S. Dye [this message] 2021-04-18 19:12 ` Timothy 2021-04-18 19:46 ` Thomas S. Dye 2021-04-18 19:59 ` Timothy [not found] ` <a64adc3de7be49039372851ea31e4f7c@VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> 2021-04-19 10:04 ` Eric S Fraga 2021-04-20 3:54 ` Timothy 2021-04-19 22:07 ` Gustav Wikström 2021-04-21 9:33 ` Jean Louis 2021-04-21 9:50 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-21 10:25 ` Heinz Tuechler 2021-04-21 12:55 ` ian martins 2021-04-21 13:07 ` Timothy [not found] ` <1c557c0e35e04440ba2dadfe57e5b590@VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> 2021-04-21 13:27 ` Eric S Fraga 2021-04-21 15:31 ` ian martins 2021-04-21 15:38 ` Bruce D'Arcus 2021-04-21 19:35 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-22 0:36 ` ian martins 2021-04-22 0:48 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-22 2:35 ` Timothy 2021-04-22 5:14 ` Maintaining babel packages — a list of packages that need help? Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-04-22 10:10 ` ian martins 2021-04-26 7:25 ` Bastien 2021-04-22 10:00 ` Concerns about community contributor support ian martins 2021-04-21 19:31 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-25 4:30 ` Bastien 2021-04-25 5:52 ` Contributor Steward role (was Re: Concerns about community contributor support) Timothy 2021-04-25 7:13 ` Bastien 2021-04-25 6:17 ` Concerns about community contributor support Tim Cross 2021-04-25 7:19 ` Bastien 2021-04-26 0:23 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-26 5:00 ` Bastien 2021-04-26 6:07 ` Tim Cross 2021-04-26 7:34 ` Bastien 2021-04-25 10:10 ` Help with reproducing bugs reported on this list (was: Concerns about community contributor support) Bastien 2021-04-27 6:28 ` Help with reproducing bugs reported on this list Bastien 2021-04-25 21:40 ` Concerns about community contributor support Nick Savage 2021-04-26 7:22 ` Bastien 2021-04-29 14:07 ` D 2021-04-29 14:16 ` Bastien 2021-04-29 14:44 ` D 2021-04-29 14:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
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