From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id eLzbMJ6DrGGnNwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 10:17:18 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id uA1FLJ6DrGHwRgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 09:17:18 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E221C34E for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:17:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:53344 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtne1-00021y-B5 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:17:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39074) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtncy-000201-0I for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:16:12 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:51665) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtncv-00086o-V9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:16:11 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF11A240101 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:16:07 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1638695767; bh=DV5RCGxjbKKA4TI65ompkIjOVmO7qNCcgNRyY/NbKkE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=QGdpAS31KRF6MyLrpsDnRn3aUsv2PnGQxZzrdxto+nnG/nnkxOEfR7EPp1j2Ow9+J NEIHkHIC9A/03LRvaT4End12mM/Afg4iAMP3LBpwBPCiftgP4MMdTqPM6wPwyEpbmO UmbV/c3JVP7l2OVg5xW4vzBLEkwnxTkdi1XJfYK7F4meqRgWr2hLkogQQ9U/G9zycS gLGxRn1/SKTrd/rpgdgLQ3BOsMCyGxp2UAr/QYSwm0k2tUFQctAbfnoUnXGXLe5j06 GATb6w5ViXZ2jYMqshFy/w6b5yYJW//Sef5NwIhSkw5QTYVkC76JLLZJ3MPS2BenyA bMFg6bBayfLQQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4J6LX70mFXz9rxL; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:16:06 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Ihor Radchenko Subject: Re: Concrete suggestions to improve Org mode third-party integration :: an afterthought following Karl Voit's Orgdown proposal References: <87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 09:16:04 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87tufnbj1w.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:35:39 +0800") Message-ID: <87sfv75s4r.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1638695838; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PClkifA4iRUvHV9q8uIB2Pox8URjAT8SJH8zTk0Qn18=; b=EgLw2LRUWMUdNr4vICWRpR5wHiwgoT0kBmm94cySyZ6xpKAqN5uOgXe+SNiJEDgBVclZqA vLFe6N8ieeT5B/4j3TpRyjvaxn2EcVnz9/7H6dn4a5VGBSu65oGA65i2938cxRZaZLIAxQ 0GykFJ9P9sowzNt4BraeUA+ngSNU+kONXssdBSRiaarQpvypR/lrbjR4hCWsVNfDy7GeuK 0t6KPwMDZQn9XxlOYmV+p89+eGR+/RzdAV5VI6bQt1mMVBDR+Zf370Jg3/XwlwOprAhpR+ OpKLkI0dDEZY34G1SZ/nKntGyAUQBZmp0X0HQkevzsvml957NWWv1G8de1GEcg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1638695838; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=f+NshlGDHKpfGc8P8/KqIRNWUv3eQeUJw02U1uQHWXohKNry2NO7RDkOhYuKfdW5HkpdsQ Goh9CgL33f04dTDDY0WA32DINRdtJ9CTOBsMIve8NkBee2vDMs8ts9m2365VAazGeGCjnH 1NUOvRC0fmntx7knKlrf+/bVIH8jhfUeBqnD3HP++A8k1tXAU7r6I8ibdIQ3s74AIn5G1V BqJEAegvKMP1vK6KYHec1mEQvfrBThdowymsw6ylev2YuuaijlOBzTFNTXb2MOa5/A0pSE UWWequTcuXt3mDGhegO2vZ9LRf7ZtE3/HwA5HmoVnc+qlUhB35MQo/wcH3jXMw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=QGdpAS31; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.33 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=QGdpAS31; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2E221C34E X-Spam-Score: -4.33 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Ik43k8dDbesV Ihor Radchenko writes: > The website title is "Org mode for Emacs", repelling users who _do > not want_ to use Org inside Emacs. Maybe we can do better? Something > with less accent on Emacs like "Org mode: your life in plain text" I am not at all in favor of separating the 'Org Mode' name from 'GNU Emacs'. In any case, regardless of my opinion, I see here two problems: 1. "Org mode: your life in plain text". The word "mode" remains orphan: mode of what? It is clear that it is an Emacs mode, therefore it doesn't make much sense to hide Emacs and then suggest it. 2. One possibility: "Org: your life in plain text". But here what remains orphaned is "Org", too generic name. Unless "Org Mode" is a lexicalized construct, without reference to any emacs mode. (In any case, I would be extremely saddened if the reference to GNU Emacs disappears in the title, just to please a minority). Best regards, Juan Manuel