From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id KHbvA4i9X2O0uQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:20:24 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id mEHYAoi9X2NcMQEAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:20:24 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C948A3B7D3 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:20:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opTkW-0003uW-9U; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 08:18:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opTkS-0003o6-F6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 08:18:37 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opTkM-0006Gp-Mu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 08:18:36 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7D75240101 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:18:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1667218706; bh=sSRw75NgM0u8urPcTs1BflbZfMpuqn1EaTMbOcf6gAc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=BuiKixL0IlctRux9OyGKqZMZL8eZomufddjiFa2XlAteqoyJSOK3TReot6MEwshzk QAnU1j/03lZs2rjXfS08pezP7wP7z9xrJt5BA/+zbwsZ9CivzaUj/5WQyw6NB1OZbN vZ9z49IzVWKPYZh2zkv8oeLPBTfzSkiYkkHivy5X/bSb4D/ABDyx6kP+2PF9LGW0To k7dEBmkVBSNh4z/ePHMeKWab8FJfcNKCX3bYTwcg0buniLIxVbaVtf06AceUTG0Ca+ KP06fN9xRabmTFybj3hsfMpjJgVrDhRCxY4iTs0wWmgBccFRber3lG/JMlNhoG6i24 ADN3i4jo1GXYg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4N1ByB0Vt1z9rxT; Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:18:23 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Max Nikulin Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: [off-topic] E-readers and Org-Mode References: <87o7u24ll0.fsf@posteo.net> <877d0ooro8.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871qqt40hv.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:18:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Max Nikulin's message of "Sat, 29 Oct 2022 19:54:48 +0700") Message-ID: <87sfj4gp9u.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1667218823; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=tWLzZ1Jhqy4gTf8aMSwsemyQCO6qeEvV1aubLj7l5Vs=; b=MX5/SxX3Jc1dwVh4QNDHBMxj4A5KVDLqQ3tfa74zU4zQypwtvNyuc39aWY3ZXICT5KLpa3 N8rCo3cmSqqviNUgGBvzmfMxnKrej/G+ez64vWwdhfAExeX3C8x66qlTKVhCXkKL+/c6b1 JAlZO62tm15fL0uKxDOEffDE/PA+kJiBvsgTeqd5JFBgpjjeLrL5XFAN1HaI6E4WrM6/6U 6WhsMt7flWra3RqJsTyhSHs8G0tQZoLIZkqpHt06IvDrEJB0j4bTWFTzH4m41Egxe2zKB7 kqIG2t2DhE39bCQpCJOHZeW+o0zDy6kTP+rWIteYsnkswtJpaq9YWHh4QEPqQA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1667218823; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=soahBgcy4yRdX4q94x3WA8lhw3GdMZjPUgh0qUhsqm880CKZYEj+Td03KJ4a/gH5Chf4Ap fBsk+corwuD6A/+Aj77nnUDGkwajyMkwAGKezMoIqLktZk3FMlvKDU/LjPLXv42/z9MSja ZFufh2kvDt1rB8qdtx+2njDPnS1ZDK4gtqeFoiNNnVD75WNVrMEqgPRyIYYyomuQ5FMcoM cf2nk1VmDaM/BtW5pG8teoI/d4s1QR+y1nTstER5nmtGTFiNC7vAAyBPSFvBhePKp5GVzV uIXgvACQFT58ZfnuCv7n7D7z4AbmW2A3+E6o/Pa05wUfiRjSs3H9jTZeDddtEw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=BuiKixL0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.47 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=BuiKixL0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C948A3B7D3 X-Spam-Score: -9.47 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: GHZbzYPXfxwV Max Nikulin writes: > P.S. Concerning free PDF annotation tool, I have not tested if it is > convenient and available on Android, but Firefox-106 release notes > have the following entry: > >> It is now possible to edit PDFs: including writing text, drawing, > and adding signatures. > > Almost certainly "edit" in their parlance in namely annotations, not > real changes of PDF structure. Interesting, I'll take a look at it. I haven't used firefox as my default browser in a while. On desktop and laptop I use a combination of Eww and Qutebrowser, which is more keyboard oriented. I have Firefox almost relegated to negotiations with the Spanish government, such as taxes and little else. On mobile I use Brave browser. And lately I've noticed that it's not as hard as I thought to navigate with Eww-mode in Termux/Emacs by touch! :-) BTW, I have found another free app to annotate PDF on Android, KOReader: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.koreader.launcher.fdroid/ It is mainly intended for e-ink screen e-readers. It's under active development as well (https://github.com/koreader), and even offers builds and tutorials for installing it on specific non-Android devices (Kobo, reMarkable, etc.). I have tried to make some annotations on a PDF to open it later on the desktop pc. Annotations are correctly read by pdf-tools, Atril, Evince, Okular, etc. And they are also exported correctly to Org via the org-noter function org-noter-create-skeleton, which I didn't know about and is tremendously useful. Best regards, Juan Manuel