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Dye" writes: > >>> I understand above that it is easier understandable when=20 >>> reading >>> [2023-01-22 Sun 08:29@+1100] as it is assumed by poster (I=20 >>> guess=20 >>> Max) >>> that user will understand that there is +11 hours ahead. >>> >> Yes, the offset here is ambiguous--is it offset from some=20 >> timezone=20 >> or from UTC? > > It is not ambiguous if the user is familiar with standard time=20 > format. > The representation above is derived from > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601, which allows the=20 > following: > >