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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AB74E777A2 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.28 X-Spam-Score: -9.28 X-TUID: uKZa+gyoMigG Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Eli told me in the past that Org mode should not remap keys. >> See the discussion branch starting at >> https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/8735gfs3is.fsf@localhost/ > > I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave > significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, > especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping and instead prefer other means to adjust the behaviour of standard Emacs commands. Then, we discussed that Emacs commands to not always provide enough toggles. So, I am asking to add one in this thread. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at