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Org Mode is GNU Emacs, and > the magic of Org Mode is the magic of GNU Emacs. That=E2=80=99s why I ins= ist > that going to Org means going to Emacs. I don=E2=80=99t think Ihor is suggesting we stop indicating that org-mode i= s part of Emacs. I think there=E2=80=99s been a fair bit of misinterpretation in this= thread. Let=E2=80=99s treat the proposal as what it is. Namely: =E2=81=83 Indicating that Org as a concept has spread beyond Emacs (it has,= look at the number of tools as extensions for it) =E2=81=83 Perhaps use some of the tools that people have developed to provi= de a no-install in browser demo of some of the functionality =E2=81=83 Improve our technical documentation and testing =E2=81=83 Let people know what to expect from other tools/extensions that o= ffer =E2=80=9COrg support=E2=80=9D That=E2=80=99s it. All the best, Timothy --=-=-=--