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This corresponds to= the >> `\fullcite{}=E2=80=99 command in LaTeX. Is there an option for this? > > No, but we should add one, as natbib has a similar command. > > And, of course, per Timothy=E2=80=99s point, you can customize > org-cite-biblatex-styles to include it in the meantime. If you want to > experiment with this, contact me off-list, as there=E2=80=99s some nuances > with citar. Great, that was easy, thank you: (add-to-list =E2=80=99org-cite-biblatex-styles =E2=80=99(=E2=80=9Cfull=E2= =80=9D nil =E2=80=9Cfullcite=E2=80=9D nil nil)) (This or something similar should be added upstream). > >> In summary, it is a bit painful to use `org-cite` compared to using `org= -ref`. >> In my opinion, the main reasons are: >> >> =E2=80=A2 Documentation is missing for `org-cite`. >> =E2=80=A2 The citation commands seem to be incomplete (or at least not d= ocumented). > > The documentation is admittedly thin. Thoughts on what we should add? > > The styles, and how to customize them with oc-biblatex? I know writing documentation is a lot of work. It is easy to complain, but = hard to contribute. I think we need: =E2=80=A2 A complete description of styles and variants (for the actual cit= ation command, and also for `#+cite_export: ...') or at least a link to an up-to-date table. =E2=80=A2 An improved description of the capabilities of `org-cite-insert' = (i.e., that it can change the citation style and variant). > > Bruce --=-=-=--