From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz?= Stelmach Subject: Re: AI for orgmode Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87pr2yli9g.fsf@kotik.lan> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nt7Vg-0002r4-M9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:51:12 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50294 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nt7Vf-0002qS-3L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:51:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nt7Vd-0001Kg-JQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:51:10 -0400 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:60230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nt7Vd-0001Ka-Dk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:51:09 -0400 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nt7Va-0001Ss-71 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:51:06 +0100 Received: from 77-255-243-16.adsl.inetia.pl ([77.255.243.16]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:51:06 +0100 Received: from lukasz.stelmach by 77-255-243-16.adsl.inetia.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 23:51:06 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Carsten Dominik writes: > On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Leo wrote: > >> Thinking about my own experience, I didn't feel the pain since I >> gradually changing my org mode configuration over a few years. but I >> could understand the frustration. > > I would be interested in a discussion on how to decrease the startup > pain in a clever way. I've always been a kind of a defeatist so take my words with a grain of salt but... People who use or are willing to use Emacs are by no means ordinary users. The have their really own preferences and habits. They (like me) even have their own visions of GTD, let alone other workflows. If they choose org-mode it is because it is super-hyper-mega-customisable. With great power comes great[1]... Software achieve gradual learning curve (thus becoming available to ordinary users) by applying sane default settings but there is no such thing for users I've just described. They (with all due respect for everyone reading this) all are kind of insane to use text editor as a PIM, aren't they (we)? Giving those people "sane defaults" may only make some (most?) of them give up on org-mode as it might suggest less flexibility than there actually is. On the other hand I am going to try to convince some of my colleagues to use it and they don't seem to be so weird as I am. I will probably take my configuration weed out some really personal stuff and give them as the "sane default". These are of course only my 2 cents (Euro ones ;) [1] http://xkcd.com/643/ -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach