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Not rules about whether you or > anyone can run a nonfree program. But rules, yes, against publicly > legitimizing, or steering people toward using, nonfree programs, in > direct connection with the GNU Project. > > You can say whatever you like if you do it in another context with no > visible relation to GNU. The point is that you shouldn't give the > wrong idea of where the GNU Project stands on this issue. > Richard, you still have not responded to my question and what was the main point which started this thread. How can it be that on one hand, projects are told they cannot have a link to a means to make a donation which uses non-free software (such as paypal), but the FSF has exactly that sort of link to obtain donations for the FSF. Is this not hypocritical? As far as I see it, if having a link to paypal for donations is OK for the FSF, then it is OK for a GNU project (provided the project also includes wording to the effect we would prefer people use other methods AND we provide another method, basically do the same as the FSF)