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So long... :) Pleasure to meet you Timothy. :) >>> IMHO if someone with UX/UI experience can/wants to interview real Org >>> newcomers, that will help us a lot for deciding about such tiny changes. >> Unfortunately, it can be quite hard to find such people on the ML etc. (= funny >> about that =F0=9F=98=9B). > I'm copying Eduardo who volunteered in the past for this kind of work. I would love to do this, maybe we can plan a bit for it...=20 >> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, when doing the original website re-design I= went to some >> effort to get the thoughts of people who don=E2=80=99t use Org to make s= ure it did a >> decent job communicating the essentials. > Definitely an ingredient of why your work improved the situation a lot! Absolutely so! Congratulation and much thanks for your work with the website. :) Going back to think about some user testing, we should talk a bit about the test objectives to determine the sample screening, starting context and tasks... I'll continue with the threads. --=20 eduardo mercovich Donde se cruzan tus talentos=20 con las necesidades del mundo,=20 ah=C3=AD est=C3=A1 tu vocaci=C3=B3n.=20 (An=C3=B3nimo)