From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id GM8IHyLuM2NSrgAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:02 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id 6OrbHiLuM2PmJwAAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:02 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 266403E72F for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:48:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:37842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQrQ-0007CF-0c for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:48:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53482) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQTA-0005iI-CB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:23:00 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35996) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQT6-0008F1-Og; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:22:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=aPbQaa5C1M69mENiJzZ86im9nDdOv4bYO1Pas+qK82U=; b=Z4cMEl28Ne9cJxM8Pb5o UYC2dB0Csn2XH4hulFyro2VZ0Xdo2eGkt6Q7dCMqXM6Ai953Ez0Bz85Klx2/XtGA5ko06bHc0b7+n pJ3oBUB84I2CpwPmS/GtJtodBcYqoFis0yp+cDoxnzKIanedojKGhvlU80sPB0BefRrKDaJaw2pUA rVrd2QMWdim/bugBIf6WyXbRE2ZpzFbFo1ml4gS4B/Eh23Punu9FebDpqT6ZEYjm7iJBCh8B0HNaU mcmhg/UjSFoqIi68ipuaEky4FJiCql0LJ8ICpcCEy+pup3WGMR3YprXuGp6a70v27eCgJGsmRMPgb vmaTxm0nzubGHw==; Received: from 96.52.140.77.rev.sfr.net ([77.140.52.96]:56466 helo=hal) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odQT2-00074E-My; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 02:22:52 -0400 Received: by hal (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E9D01E0413; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:22:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Kyle Meyer Cc: Timothy , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Attempting to create orgcard.org In-Reply-To: <87pmfgmju0.fsf@kyleam.com> (Kyle Meyer's message of "Tue, 27 Sep 2022 20:19:35 -0400") Organization: GNU References: <87mtakvq0d.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <878rm4r1g1.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmfgmju0.fsf@kyleam.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:22:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmfg587d.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664347682; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=aPbQaa5C1M69mENiJzZ86im9nDdOv4bYO1Pas+qK82U=; b=Uh6N8la/JxDLzfE9k58i9qmtwkYcTtw7AGrzEw/YGKc8Y40FgEKzhMS+y9EuHF4hwE1IX9 JVX1KEN5uV9WuTwL/eN2pJf+xjvN95jxTLaWUgkm8fqeHSN6P5uunexmLmNujG+y8AgTYz bcO6znB//6m7SJQhwByJIPYyX5y7qLzFjva4BhhM5K0Qi95YaSZ3GIxZZW9rebl/hzp0/A fx+0xE8P3fuDp4zSM5O4BltzNQ+zIi/HiSikaJ9xlV3WIHJQ6zeY+v84+ImX8dkgtosZVG 97wUd7rtvkOe5PaOoZPPwCFmNYDdxIpC6dK3KjsmE0yZS7jYHXaTpOa7kD93nA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664347682; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nDfCkKS8FT8C4lTMYqyFoNezkY+HdUhhHpXKsegN69l4pmHWAojgHM1ALW00KQbvOuDhty oXduri52+WenumT4qzH7+ehvAoygnfwtfoztTIfsWpzRmVVA3CD4AH5gjtp3Lv8Ttj7BBu i+/HmHzUkZ4m80jIgqrXw/Cs5/F1KZgjBamy0B1PB6oIDkAojo4US0nQUhBBGWYlr68SM7 oDQ4idx5Rp5Ga6xgFM6uM/d4fM/WsHxf+6S6ZjJmrQHNNzHZ1pKRROCOerv+aUtdoLG8S7 Cbff6w+mU8Wbc2IO15CfgrUId5OM5i+RwlrbIFOc3rDYZRZdtjEKdbrNQXLh5A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=Z4cMEl28; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=Z4cMEl28; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 266403E72F X-Spam-Score: -6.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: dUzHVrtDYg28 Kyle Meyer writes: > Something to consider: orgcard.tex is included in the Emacs repo and > fits into their refcard machinery. If the source changes from .tex to > .org, the .org file must be included in the Emacs repo, as is done with > the .org of the manual now (bug#45143, bug#46837). Doing so would > involve extra setup and handling on the Emacs side. Even if someone on > the Org side volunteers to do that work, another case of special > handling probably wouldn't be received warmly. Fully agreed. And I don't want to be in the same situation than for the manual, where someone puts a lot of energy into something that we accept as a temporary experiment, and which becomes something like a burden for some Emacs maintainers. Timothy, I believe your efforts are worthwhile as a way to provide Emacs third-party package maintainers a way to produce a refcard-like PDF document for their libraries. But not for Org, where the refcard is really good enough as it is, especially the Emacs sync constraints we have right now. Is that okay with you? -- Bastien