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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1666008399; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=vf2yIP8lLr/zG8I1A3rbzZKueEkjv/fNrr/Qz9fkmkA=; b=ORsg7/PjNok6oUg65IqSnqB7jKXaoZOZGUCsRMloWsukdVsZSR6Nq6lPQOax81j0PGvuH7 eCEqcmxPcjPkmFi1aBPbxMrV37hK9niNn/h1A6A0+SBIVOjt8UM4cyMb4e9cyjrionzWxQ CxTnTz1yyptKUuhR4laUm+gzy+WyOqDU4dl93ZbJPGW8r6CZDBH+/QWcqsCdlK/GFdBo8D 2Xyx9V/yH3R9Lgi1LSI5XMeY3IFItr+fwi56TcuA0Ckp+Z0ERjfK0rwUvWiE5+tn+Fgrh4 SFErTx2/btN8CI0xgJk/+zPvKznewQhxddtbERWrV8Q2wzBVmIoyLMdBYgfuGw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1666008399; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=JuWIfjEFFPcb8/LpIDUjFfBECooMBkWRVQ7LVSQEezljWmCU30mRMyFVs082lDejAHCaMr bf2OfMCp2DpjYSL1cMn7gJIYNl7BWuHSEkqk/ZhtQxll2t8GR1tIka8NsTnP351W+Qp9xp ICtqo+BiKZhGude6nOxpPeaiOVdi3U7/eHu1s/g4V7qED7tKDbs04f08bIkaMaQzUNLaxz 5X/KFAi0AnhWIiu4AQ0ihEPIOP57DCTPIka7gR9D88NMuHIXWFwl1sThTqPlcjh8b0AIJd iE1dNQEpOKZdXdCFDUXYLBGYIok83d1IhLbzeL2jahiCiV+/MgvnUZmo18+wVA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=oxgCaBCh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.42 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=oxgCaBCh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C94F01BAE7 X-Spam-Score: -3.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: zuVcw1B8JkId Jean Louis writes: > Yes, it is common sense that in GNU project we do not steer users > towards proprietary systems. > > This means that in GNU software, mailing lists and chat, and websites, > we do not point to proprietary systems as non-free programs are > injustice, and we shall not bring users to position to give up their > freedom. > > Applying the Free Software Criteria - GNU Project - Free Software Foundat= ion: > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/applying-free-sw-criteria.en.html > > People are free to discuss anything, but as it is GNU project, those > who are aware may ask and wonder why is proprietary software endorsed > or referenced on GNU mailing lists. I am mostly using https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html as a reference here: >> You should not refer to AT&T=E2=80=99s web site if that recommends AT&T= =E2=80=99s >> non-free software packages; you should not refer to a page p that >> links to AT&T=E2=80=99s site presenting it as a place to get some non-fr= ee >> program, because that part of the page p itself recommends and >> legitimizes the non-free program. >>=20 >> However, if p contains a link to AT&T=E2=80=99s web site for some other >> purpose (such as long-distance telephone service), that is no reason >> you should not link to p. So, we may link to non-free software, but only for the purposes other than encouraging to use it. This is a tricky distinction to master though. In your interpretation that we are going to promote using that non-free software, you are right. But I viewed the discussion differently. [The reality is probably that it was too early to conclude about where the discussion will go; and it deviated towards FSF philosophy :) ] --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at