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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1666820136; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=nmn+UfeiQx72kmXdGtoXQrC8qB/SlLPsHXTeYriWHqk=; b=SYHU7j367AyMH3lNZiP5ddfABPIgeCLl1BAm6xsKGhhTZH26VJ2Wg9F6SbK1+6pKtH75rd mN1pLOabZWgDOqDMNZFR/f+yzVm7dpv3T8KpA9hMuwDryqmztMAkTM6NeQliRrzb9IEDz0 7dS0iELI8GGQnDIsnIfBiPUw7vqo0+FL724R4p1evJupmHMvZeneLOOZ2qCY9/pNDk9FRw WzIkR6Id6+wsMkeGKd2NNflSP0046Kr9w3/tpR5cqQ5YG8+WBcq0th1xe/oyjaXrIawiEb YhoR0S7Sr2Mzkhvga4H5LWe70JwURhb/oiiiTxkArvz4V1OYq1KYFDVBqJYe6A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1666820136; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ZlVj/K2Tr6px/O2vQUqGJjQE2XbqVt+jaWUfb/6xPVTGL7vBm60RJmmMEF3nT0QN0SQ2hU s2rwvbKrbwhwnDE7GMLwhCW4Bk50OykXYvlC8MgDoPFE3WBaxBuHMSi4v/nxSs1aB67oxi 1a9H3FgcQrVwwRQ948YpFRvIMLKYfhm0Z5GBar658my2gyWA0UIussXUxHJnX4sQ0wmX3N 7bpvsSlKcRxtiuqOU/+mY3gG4TMvgt2VKIensHjhO4jNr2zjEYn6zATZR6M8PoW918ygc6 u2eYgX0viEH2yMBj1aD1i++t1C/EZpIRSgzwfyKOr+fPgLBzscgUVBxYjGxJMA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=s29768273 header.b=Nmb+XngE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.62 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=web.de header.s=s29768273 header.b=Nmb+XngE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=web.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A8817A8EB X-Spam-Score: -4.62 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Bpa6apY461Fb --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jean Louis writes: > Browser like EWW, being able to accept content types, should give to > user the option to decide if to open PDF file by integrated PDF viewer > or any external PDF viewer, or to download the file, or to open the > file by user's customized function, mode or program. I=E2=80=99m not sure why you keep pressing for this: people agreed that ena= bling users to configure that (as long as it=E2=80=99s not the default) is a good idea. There=E2=80=99s no discussion there. Your reply was to Max saying that this must not be the default, and that using "safe" as part of the function name is a bad idea. > Is there much of difference of opening Org file by using EWW or > sending link to Org file to be downloaded and THEN opened by Emacs? There is a difference, yes: A browser only opens inline what is deemed safe with the session-data. PDFs are only opened with pdf.js (more restricted compared to a pdf reader). Javascript is heavily restricted (with good reason). Opening org-files clicked in eww directly with org-mode is like opening a spreadsheet with active fields inline in the browser, so a rogue formula can steal the session of your banking login. > That is not business of web server, HTTP or browser. Those are > delivery, retrieval and presentation tools Yet there is so such separation between eww and org-mode. If you want that separation, you have to open the org-file in a second Emacs process. If you don=E2=80=99t want that separation, you have to add other precaution= s. 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