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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 2B4EF3596D X-Spam-Score: -9.39 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.39 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-TUID: I6B+jIFOmG8x Hi Tim, org-mode and emacs developers, * Tim Cross [2023-02-04; 07:01 +11]: > Ihor Radchenko writes: >> Max Nikulin writes: >>> On 27/12/2022 16:47, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>>> Can you then try to test using Emacs 28? >>>> The main question if whether this has been fixed in newer Emacs relea= ses >>>> or it is also something to do with OS environment. >>> I see quite the same issue with Emacs-28.2 in Debian testing. Compile >>> buffer displays a bit more warnings and usual `org-assert-version' >>> warnings and errors are present as well. It might have another level o= f >>> complexity due to .eln files. I am unsure what happens with calls to >>> undefined macros. >> >> I asked people around to test using Debian, and we do have a >> confirmation that Debian + Emacs 27 and Debian + Emacs 28 do trigger th= e >> error. >> >> I also installed Debian 11.6.0 on virtual machine, and I was also able = to >> trigger the error, following the provided steps, using the Emacs 27 >> installed via apt-get. >> >> The problem seems to be real and appears to be some combination of >> Debian/Ubuntu + Emacs. >> >> Considering the popularity of Debian-based distros, may someone take a >> closer look on what may be going on? Since the latest Emacs release als= o >> suffers from the problem, I am afraid that the issue will be present in >> the coming Emacs 29 as well (I recall no related fixes in recent Emacs)= . > > I don't run Debian or Ubuntu anymore. However, I do recall that debian > does use a modified Emacs startup which is not part of the standard > Emacs distribution. They do this to enable the ability to have multiple > versions of Emacs installed at the same time. that would be /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/debian-startup.el Ciao; Gregor =2D- -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.-